Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[sm0ky2]

@ Free Energy

Magnetix, supermags, and a few others do not work as good as GeoMags.
The cheap brands are just 2 magnets, held apart by the plastic piece.

inside a GeoMag you will find a paramagnetic (steel?) rod - that physically connects the magnetic ends. This effectively stretches the opposing lines of flux, and keps them along the outer edges of the Triangle. With the other magnets, the fields less distorted, and the opposing flux arcs outwards, which weakens the device.

I have actually constructed Tri-Force gates out of Neodyium magnets, which work a LOT better than the GeoMags, but i an using GeoMags to keep consistent with everyone else's experiments.

You can use the cheap brands, but if you are unable to achieve some of the effects that others are demonstrating , this is probably "why".

[CLaNZeR]

im back now and have bought a magnetix kit 
fun to play with. see you guys later. i will report asap if i close the loop.

ahhhhhh you should read more.

Most people have been using the GeoMag sets as they have a wire joining the two magnets inside the plastic casing.
Apparently the Magnetix sets do not have this joining wire and not the exact same effect.

In saying that I reckon the effect is still there.

[CLaNZeR]

Magnetix, supermags, and a few others do not work as good as GeoMags.
The cheap brands are just 2 magnets, held apart by the plastic piece.

inside a GeoMag you will find a paramagnetic (steel?) rod - that physically connects the magnetic ends. This effectively stretches the opposing lines of flux, and keps them along the outer edges of the Triangle. With the other magnets, the fields less distorted, and the opposing flux arcs outwards, which weakens the device.

I have actually constructed Tri-Force gates out of Neodyium magnets, which work a LOT better than the GeoMags, but i an using GeoMags to keep consistent with everyone else's experiments.

Cross Post LOL I just said the same thing.

But one thing I did find was that the 6mm * 12.7mm N42 neo bars mixed with the Geomag ball bearings were not as good as the weaker Geo Bars.
Again no dought down to balance and length.

The Geomag's are not actually that strong and I have great hopes for finding a off the shelf combination that will give the same effect, but with greater forces as such.

Cheers

Sean.

[sm0ky2]

About the looped "curve"

When attempting this set-up what i have found is that there is no "linear" force between the start and end of the gate-track.

each area between the gate becomes a "trap". one of which will eventually snag yur roller.

If this is to work, i think we must keep (at least one pair) of gates far enough apart to keep the magnetic distortion effect intact.

meaning that the cummulative field from the gates must be "bulged" at each end, to produce linear force in-between the gates.

Repulsion force IN and OUT of the gate-track is essentially the same, minus im guessing losses from friction and/or your slope angle.   
The force that we seem to be able to extract from lies inbetween the gates. As demonstrated in Clanzer's "firetruck" video - the gate is able to perform work, by moving the firetruck from one end to the other. - that is to say that the roller magnet, can carry more than its own weight.

- on a side note, if you "extract" too much of this energy, the roller does not have enough force to properly exit the gate, so we need to find that max line and stay below it.

[sm0ky2]

But one thing I did find was that the 6mm * 12.7mm N42 neo bars mixed with the Geomag ball bearings were not as good as the weaker Geo Bars.
Again no dought down to balance and length.

The Geomag's are not actually that strong and I have great hopes for finding a off the shelf combination that will give the same effect, but with greater forces as such.

Cheers

Sean.

hmm, thats interesting i didnt try that.  the ball bearings i used with my neos were somewhat larger (1/2").


specs:   

1/4" neo disks, magnetized through the thickness
    10 of these in a stack to make one 'leg'

1/2" steel ball bearings

--- if there turns out to be a crucial factor in the size of the balls, we can find a proportion that can be scaled to any size / flux density.