Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[klicUK]

@klicUK,

If I spin it by hand it turns for a while but the deceleration is obvious.

@Omnibus,
I'm not sure if you've seen my first post on this, but I'm trying to compare spin times with a control device. It's difficult to gauge whether certain arrangements give longer run times because the starting force is unknown. It's not possible to guess this based on the turn speed, because certain arrangements interact with the top assembly and require (it feels) a greater force to attain the same speed.

[Omnibus]

Hi All
As I said before you can find a video and describtion of how this works in the Minato wheel group that I posted a while back and sm0ky's right the inbalance makes it work I used my hand to hold the stator and I could keep it going for ever with the shakiness of my hand also as I said it when I discovered it I new it didn't have enough force to do anywork but it showed me you can make magnets spin using permanent magnet, oh one more thing was when I placed the stator magnet under it to get it spinning and removes that magnet it increased speed for a while and keep spinning with nothing there for a time.
Take Care All
Graham

That's nothing. This shouldn't be considered at all. There are innumerable experiments showing such effect due to the shaking of your hand holding the stator. That's trivial.

[Omnibus]

@klicUK,

If I spin it by hand it turns for a while but the deceleration is obvious.

@Omnibus,
I'm not sure if you've seen my first post on this, but I'm trying to compare spin times with a control device. It's difficult to gauge whether certain arrangements give longer run times because the starting force is unknown. It's not possible to guess this based on the turn speed, because certain arrangements interact with the top assembly and require (it feels) a greater force to attain the same speed.

Yeah, I agree. What we need to see is a self-starting device otherwise all kinds of questions will be pouring in even if the initially input energy is measured precisely and it shows longer spin than expected. The only device so far whereby the input energy can be compared with the output in an unquestionable way is SMOT where the violation of CoE was discovered. For a motor to prove CoE it must be a self-starter and exhibit acceleration (at least).

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
The Trigate motor was a break through to me because I aways thought if you can get permanent magnets to work like an electromagnetic motor you would have a PMM, that is attract in move along and repel out to attract in again and this happens with the Trigate motor, I know a magnet moves from repel to attract and I know if you angle magnets right you can get them to go from attract to repel so first I came up with the Corner gate then the Trigate both systems attract in and repel out the difference with the Trigate is you can join them to make a loop then take a few out to give you something that a magnet will follow around then repel out to be attracted in again, comming into or moving out of a system was always the problem, you always had the attract back leaving or the repel away comming in the Trigate fixes that now theres no attract back leaving or repel away comming in so you can open a loop and not have the closed loop effect that all PMM systems have and you don't need shields to do this, the only question for me now is will this system keep spinning with out have to add energy.
Take Care All
Graham

[Yadaraf]

@ Yada -

                I used a couple pieces of metal i had laying around.  i dont think it matters what you use, though im sure theres a shape or two that might work better. basically it dampens the field comming off the wing magnets,
Clanzer used the steel balls on his.
the first video had two black rectangle pieces.

mine are kind of square-triangle shaped, they were corner pieces from something dismantled.

My magnets the "square" goes around N->S->N->S->N->S   

the pyramids are all N on top,  and all S on bottom.

standard Tri-Force above (double-N-pole facing down)   

sorry about the lighting, the only thing i had to stick that to was the garage door, and the light sucks over there....

i couldnt get it to balance on a stick like the others...
it kept wanting to tip sideways

sm0ky2,

Thanks for the description.  There are over 131,000 combinations to play with, but at least we're off to a start.

Note that your configuration appears to be quite different from CLaNZeR's and the one I'm playing with.  I'll create a drawing, but in the meantime look very closely at the arrangement of equatorial magnets in CLaNZeR's design.  Then, look closely at the bottom half of the octahedral.

Cheers

Yada..
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