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Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

Started by couldbe, February 20, 2008, 08:45:25 AM

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Omnibus

Quote from: utilitarian on March 25, 2008, 07:53:32 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on March 25, 2008, 07:31:29 PM
That's very hard. This is a difficult engineering problem but you have to understand the essence of violation of CoE in order to figure that out.

It is exactly as hard as making a gravity wheel.  Very difficult engineering problem indeed.  Some would say impossible, but those people probably do not understand that paradox of doublespeak, the SMOT, which produces excess energy while simultaneously requiring the human operator to keep flipping the ball back up with his hand.  Pay no attention to the hand, look what happens on the ramp.  Ball goes up, see?  Free energy for everyone.  Just make sure your arms are in good shape - you will be lifting balls for a while.  :)

That is funny but not the way you intended it to be. You are the one who is the clown to be laughed at because you allow yourself to comment on things you don't have a clue about or most likely you're just plain stupid. Because only a stupid person will refuse to take $20 in exchange for the $10 bill he holds in his hand which is what the principle of SMOT is. Well, who says the world consists of geniuses, many are just utilitarian that don't see farther than their nose.

utilitarian

Quote from: Omnibus on March 25, 2008, 08:27:22 PM
That is funny but not the way you intended it to be. You are the one who is the clown to be laughed at because you allow yourself to comment on things you don't have a clue about or most likely you're just plain stupid. Because only a stupid person will refuse to take $20 in exchange for the $10 bill he holds in his hand which is what the principle of SMOT is. Well, who says the world consists of geniuses, many are just utilitarian that don't see farther than their nose.

Wrong analogy.  The SMOT, overall, drains energy rather than produces it.  More like receiving $10 after paying $20.

Now, when you come back and show us a SMOT that has a net energy gain, then we can talk.  That means no more hand energy.  "Engineering problem!"  Ha, what a cop-out.

Omnibus

Quote from: utilitarian on March 25, 2008, 08:43:13 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on March 25, 2008, 08:27:22 PM
That is funny but not the way you intended it to be. You are the one who is the clown to be laughed at because you allow yourself to comment on things you don't have a clue about or most likely you're just plain stupid. Because only a stupid person will refuse to take $20 in exchange for the $10 bill he holds in his hand which is what the principle of SMOT is. Well, who says the world consists of geniuses, many are just utilitarian that don't see farther than their nose.

Wrong analogy.  The SMOT, overall, drains energy rather than produces it.  More like receiving $10 after paying $20.

Now, when you come back and show us a SMOT that has a net energy gain, then we can talk.  That means no more hand energy.  "Engineering problem!"  Ha, what a cop-out.

What you're saying is stupid but, hey, that's what's expected from a stupid person to do--to blabber stupidities.

sm0ky2

Quote from: Omnibus on March 24, 2008, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 24, 2008, 10:35:35 PM
As i understand it, the ball starts out with a gravitational potential, does it not?

and is this starting potential not Greater than its ending gravitational potential?

Think about a ball lifted from the floor and placed on the table at height h. CoE is obeyed when the gravitational potential energy mgh imparted to the ball is transformed into other energies in exactly the same amount mgh when the ball falls from the table back to the floor. In obeying CoE the ball will never spontaneously go sideways after imparting to it mgh. Here it does.


the sideways motion is caused by the magnetic attraction. Theres no more "extra" energy in that than letting a magnet stick to the refrigerator.....
The fact still remains that point A is lower than point B.  Since the ball must return to point A to be 'freed' from point C - the total system incurs a loss of mg(b-a) where (b-a) is the difference in height between points B and A.  This is incidently the exact same energy value placed into the system in the initial lift from A to B. 

The kenetic enregy built up from the magnetic gradient B->C is countered by the attraction at point C.
this interaction is equal on both ends. - i.e. the magnet pulls towards the refrigerator with the same ammount of energy required to pull it back off. 

This is demonstrated by placing the SMOT on a level plane - where point A and point B are at the same height. the ball stops at point C. ALL of the kenetic energy is transformed back into magnetic potential.
exactly the inverse of the conditions the ball was under at point B.

to put it in your words:::     (Mb - Mc) = 0

additionally::  [ mg(B-A)  -  mg(B-A)] = 0
That's your full cycle from A -> B-> C -> A

so again i ask:::   WHERE is this "extra energy" ??



I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

If i replace the SMOT, with an angled RAMP from B to C, then from C back to A.

would i not have achieved the exact same results??
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.