Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

sm0ky2 · March 30, 2008, 01:39:37 AM

Potential Energy (NOT magnetic potential) in this instance is the energy with which the ball moves towards Point C.
(Force x Distance) distance, being the distance between the Ball and Point C
[*time only effects the gravitational portion]
This is the energy which you must push against the ball with to stop it from moving.

The angle of Force is marked below in colors. This angle changes with movement of the Ball, and always is in the relative direction of Point C.

@ Point A (black) - the force is nearly verticle. The effects of gravity (blue) are dominant over the magnetic field at this point. The force vector, being nearly parallel, its simply a balance of which one is greater.

When the ball is alligned vertically with Point B (red) The angle of force is off the verticle, so the effects of gravity vs the magnetic are a vector.

When the ball is raised vertically (green) The angle of force is mostly Horizontal. The effects of gravity vs the magnetic, the vector is on favor of the horizontal.

When the ball is parallel to Point C (grey) The angle of force is perpendicular to Gravity. Gravity is no longer fighting the force, and the Ball has its full potential energy to move towards C. The small effects of gravity, while the ball is on the SMOT-track, are converted entirely into friction. The dominant force is now the magnetic.

The result of this change in Force, is an increase in Potential Energy, as the ball moves into the field, and towards Point B.

This is observed in the Above mentioned expeirment - where-in the Ball is allowed to move freely in the horizontal direction as it is being lifted towards Point B. You see that the ball does not move towards Point B, but rather it moves towards Point C with an increase in force as the ball is lifted vertically.

Omnibus · March 30, 2008, 01:47:54 AM

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 30, 2008, 01:39:37 AM

Potential Energy (NOT magnetic potential) in this instance is the energy with which the ball moves towards Point C.
(Force x Distance) distance, being the distance between the Ball and Point C
[*time only effects the gravitational portion]
This is the energy which you must push against the ball with to stop it from moving.

The angle of Force is marked below in colors. This angle changes with movement of the Ball, and always is in the relative direction of Point C.

@ Point A (black) - the force is nearly verticle. The effects of gravity (blue) are dominant over the magnetic field at this point. The force vector, being nearly parallel, its simply a balance of which one is greater.

When the ball is alligned vertically with Point B (red) The angle of force is off the verticle, so the effects of gravity vs the magnetic are a vector.

When the ball is raised vertically (green) The angle of force is mostly Horizontal. The effects of gravity vs the magnetic, the vector is on favor of the horizontal.

When the ball is parallel to Point C (grey) The angle of force is perpendicular to Gravity. Gravity is no longer fighting the force, and the Ball has its full potential energy to move towards C. The small effects of gravity, while the ball is on the SMOT-track, are converted entirely into friction. The domonant force is now the magnetic.

I told you, that's wrong. You are confused about elementary notions in physics. Like I said, don't continue with this. Do something to clarify for yourself these elementary notions before coming here to discuss.

sm0ky2 · March 30, 2008, 01:50:19 AM

The more i look at this, the more i want to use the SMOT, ... from the Bottom...

look at the energy in that set-up. Do not constrict the ball to Point B. let it travel at an angle from A ->C
as its raised vertically.

sm0ky2 · March 30, 2008, 01:52:57 AM

Quote from: Omnibus on March 30, 2008, 01:47:54 AM

I told you, that's wrong. You are confused about elementary notions in physics. Like I said, don't continue with this. Do something to clarify for yourself these elementary notions before coming here to discuss.

That's ALL you've said, "its wrong, i dont like it, its not right",,

Yet you fail to clarify WHY you feel this way. or offer any Alternative to wha ti am saying. All of which i am saying, can be verified. You have offered nothing to counter this.
It's obvious you are in disagreement, and that you do not understand. But unless you express what exactly it is that you are confused about, i cannot help you to understand.

Omnibus · March 30, 2008, 01:55:54 AM

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 30, 2008, 01:52:57 AM
Quote from: Omnibus on March 30, 2008, 01:47:54 AM

I told you, that's wrong. You are confused about elementary notions in physics. Like I said, don't continue with this. Do something to clarify for yourself these elementary notions before coming here to discuss.

That's ALL you've said, "its wrong, i dont like it, its not right",,

Yet you fail to clarify WHY you feel this way. or offer any Alternative to wha ti am saying. All of which i am saying, can be verified. You have offered nothing to counter this.
It's obvious you are in disagreement, and that you do not understand. But unless you express what exactly it is that you are confused about, i cannot help you to understand.

No, that's not all I've said. I've explained that to you but you don't want to learn. I can't repeat it over and over again any time it occurs to you I should. I already said, go back in the thread and read my explanation.