Another Smot Idea w/Pic

[ramset]

Mark just for clarafication    the idea AEG posted  with the video on you tube    would not this be considered a closed loop SMOT once the ball is returned to the bottom of the slope  Chet

[aegis]

Mark,

Thank you for your reply.

Sorry, if I don't understand, but what are suggesting exactly? Rather than using the wheel to pick off the excess energy, we should instead rely on the heat generated by the ball moving up the ramp at high speed to generate energy?

[aegis]

Another thing that has always bothered me is that many people seem to have this idea that the loop has to be closed.

Why does the loop have to be closed? If enough energy was generated in a straight line, closing the loop shouldn't be that big of an issue.

For example, let's look at Clanzer's triforce setups. Rather than the axle moving up the ramp at a slight incline with the intent of generating power on the decline, what if it simply went in a straight line with no slope?

Imagine having a similar setup that started on the West coast of California and spanned across the entire country to the East coast (assuming no mountains or large hills got in the way). You could then build another rail system right next to it that would bring the axle back to where it came from.

In order to close the loop, all you would have to do is pick the ball up at the end of the line and put it on the other track. Surely, enough power would be generated during the axle's commute to more than compensate for the task of picking the ball up and moving it.

[shruggedatlas]

Why does the loop have to be closed? If enough energy was generated in a straight line, closing the loop shouldn't be that big of an issue.

If enough energy was generated in a straight line, why not simply close the loop?  Sorry, but your logic does not work.  If you cannot close the loop, that means the overall system is losing energy, not creating it.

[Omnibus]

Why does the loop have to be closed? If enough energy was generated in a straight line, closing the loop shouldn't be that big of an issue.

If enough energy was generated in a straight line, why not simply close the loop?  Sorry, but your logic does not work.  If you cannot close the loop, that means the overall system is losing energy, not creating it.

Not necessarily. The excess energy in SMOT isn't obtained in a form that could easily be fed into the input. I told you this a number of times. The lack of self-sustaining SMOT isn't an argument against the fact that SMOT violates CoE. The only criterion for CoE violation is to have the ball lose more energy than the energy imparted to it and that's exactly what happens.