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Complete information on working SM style device.

Started by spherics, March 17, 2008, 12:03:53 AM

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Magluvin

Had to modify my post above.  something with this site where if you dont put an empty line between lines of text, it will just bunch it all together with no spacing after sentences.Been like this for a while. Dont know why it isnt fixed yet
Mags

Magluvin

Quote from: Thaelin on February 19, 2021, 11:54:13 AM
  Must remember, Steven M. said it was simple. Its just the coils and how they interact with each other. You have to find the potentials, and tune slightly off from each other. Try it with just two sig gens.

An example of where the gain may be coming from...
1 speaker, 1w in, 96db
1 speaker, 2w in, 99db
1 speaker, 4w in, 112db

3db increase for each doubling of power..

1 speaker, 1w in, 96db
2 speaker, 1w in each(2w total), 112db
4 speaker, 1w in each(4w total), 118db

6db increase for each doubling of 'total' power, as long as the number of drivers double also. 

Where did the gain come from? (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

1 speaker, 1w total, 96db
2 speaker, 1w total(.5w each), 99db
4 speaker, 1w total(.25w each), 112db

3 db increase for every doubling of number of speakers, while maintaining 1w total input for each case.
Where did the gain come from? (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Below are 100 speakers. lets say they are 96db @1w sensitivity rating. How much db increase would we have after dividing 1w input into all these speakers(.01w each) (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?

Mags

forest

How about two coils, two LC tank circuits producing a beat frequency and then output tank circuit adjusted to this beat frequency. Sure, not a pure SM style device but would that work ?

Magluvin

Quote from: forest on February 21, 2021, 02:12:43 PM
How about two coils, two LC tank circuits producing a beat frequency and then output tank circuit adjusted to this beat frequency. Sure, not a pure SM style device but would that work ?
kinda what Im getting at.  Keep pumping more power into 1 device will only get you so much out per watt. But as you increase the number of devices, you get a gain higher than just the one high powered device alone. ;)
Not sure about the different phases and a beat freq. Where the peaks meet, wouldnt that be the same as the 2 freq being in phase? In phase where they both peak with each other all the time? Why would it be special if they only peaked here and there? The only thing I can think of is if the say 2 freq were out of phase and only peaked here and there instead of always, would be maybe if the 2 freq were of resonant circuits and the beat that happens here n there do not kill off the resonance?? 

Mags

Magluvin

Sound pressure level outputs are expressions of energy and measured in watts.  So its not some silly nonsense Im claiming. so lets say we have a transformer with a primary and secondary. Could we improve the efficiency of transfer from primary to secondary by somehow having more primary coils, but keep the same input power as tested in the single primary conditions.  Like I said before, we know there is not a gain by just increasing input power to the single primary of the transformer, or a speaker for that matter. But if we increase the number of divers, or primary input coils, Im thinking there could be an eff increase.

96db spaeker sensitivity rating is about 2% eff. 112db speaker sensitivity rating is 100% eff.  1w electrical energy input = to 1w sound level energy output. By multiplying the driver numbers, the sound output can exceed 100% eff and beyond. So how do we do it via induction? Russian ragdolls?
Mags