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[Happyhydrogen]

Bull....!!!  Not everyone has a shop set-up to make these. People living in apts., those who are mechanically disinclined, and people not interested in spending their time making one will need to have a source to buy one or six. Nothing wrong with a guy getting his dues if he's got a nifty spin on it and keeps it honest.

I'm also concerned with people not delivering what they say and giving the whole "industry" a bad rep. Outrageous, unsupported  claims, poor communications and long delivery times will kill word-of-mouth business

I, and as I'm sure many of you, am really rather unimpressed with most of whats on Ebay. It's a good bit of the reason I'm trying to build something better. Something I'd like to buy for my car. Serious experimenting in this field can quickly cost you some big bucks. I don't begrudge anyone capitalising on the opportunity to cash in for their insight and hard work. But, I do hope, that someone is me!

I do understand what you are saying. My thoughts in regards to this technology are:

1. How do you recreate the 'capture' of the +/-  like Stan Meyers did, so that electricity could be simultaneously generated while hho production is going.

2. What is the purpose of combining this with a gas engine, when the possiblity of a modern steam engine exists that would provide the torque needed to pull multiple alternators, or combined use with thermo-electric modules could allow for the use of all energy involved (Gas / Heat / Steam).

These are the byproducts of the process, and the existance of free floating electrons and protons that could be re-collected is the real goal here. If what is trying to be done is the 'full cycle system' that is great. I would think that some money would be needed for test equiment to create the scenarios involved for the 3 listed above. If I could eat a dozen apples and shit a fruit salad I would. But until then...I need cash. Please try to realize the fine balance between ideas and cash / materials to create them. I think you do. You just don't want schmucks smearing the beauty of this in the name of cash. It is possible to make money and not be scum. That is I think as good a goal as any other. When you ask a musician about feeling bad about making money while simply playing music, the are torn. Should I actually get paid to do something I like to do...as opposed to working a shitty cheese job? I think I like doing what I want to do, and living off of that. I think that is a good goal to strive for. So let's get to it.

[DallasGoldBug]

You have to admit going to the point of calling it Cyclone (per my Twister) and using the same descriptions in the videos and mine, is going to far.  I'm not a greedy person, not the least bit money hungry.  The patent protection process is mainly to protect my work from a big corporation snuffing me out without having any way to defend my work.  Great hand me a billion dollars, and that money will probably go right back to fund more alternative fuel research, not to a Ferrari.  Well maybe a BIG TRUCK jacked up..oh sorry. back to the point.  Hell if he had called me and worked out a deal to license the electrode it would have been fine (remember I'm not greedy) but to lurk in the shadows hiding until caught just got me fired up.

Anyway, I appreciate your actions, as I said in the personal email to you. 

Now back to the mission:

Question, I'm seeing research on using DEMINERALIZED h2o in the cell instead of distilled.  This off the top of my head seems like a better way to go, since the metals/minerals are harmful to the electrode and will cause all the funk in the cell we get from time to time.

I decided to use up a few more brain cells on this alternative.  Ive previously mentioned about observing the electrode while activated with thermal and magnetic imaging equipment.  Thermal, to expose hot spots, poor connections, and poor production areas.  Magnetic to uncover the effects of hardening (if you drill holes, or use HHO to connect your plates, you will have some form of hardening at the edges) hardening, for those unfamiliar with this term, is a physical change that occurs when you heat stainless to very high temperatures.  It is easily experienced when you are drilling and you see the edge of the stainless start to glow.  At that point two things occur the stainless becomes molecurly changed/ sometimes gaining magnetic qualities, (after drilling notice the shrapnel clinging to the bit) and secondly, your drill bit is probably ruined (unless you resharpen it)  There are tips to working with stainless speed, pressure, cutting fluid, etc that are discussed in other areas.

So what does this all mean, you ask?  The hardening and/or magnetic qualities will now effect the way the electrons pass through that area, usually causing undesirable resistance (=heat). BUT, this magnetic field combined by the magnetic field produced by the current flow, unless viewed with MRI equipment can create feedback/eddy flows/electron choking/ and a host of other invisible effects.

For those using PWMs your probably familiar with some of these effects since you are pulsing the current to either conserve power consumption, or maybe trying to hit the "Meyers Frequency Sweetspot" and crack the h2o with ease.

My question then becomes, by using DEMINERALIZED h2o, does this get around some of the hurdles with PWMs making it easier to manipulate the electrolyte?  Does it also mean that if we use other types of stainless (more magnetic grade, or use PMG material) will we enable the production to increase without degrading/reverse electroplating the electrode to its early grave?

DallasGoldBug   
 

[Happyhydrogen]

I saw something at my office that has always interested me. It's called living water. There's some magnet in a tank and then you put your jug of water immersed in water...and there looks to be an electro-magnet in the base of it, and the cylinder has a plug coming out of it to ac. I think this is strange. Is it possible to electrically / magnetically soften the water before it is introduced into the cell. I don't mean on a mineral level. I mean on a hydrogen or oxcygen activation level. Can you excite water molecules with ac and magenetism? If this is the case, and it does work...what does that water's new state mean in a cell? This could be a catalyst, or water state issue as much as a SS plate issue..all three play themselves out as you succintly put it. I wish i had a thermal imaging device. That would be the shit!

I'm going to snag some water out of the jug after it runs on it for a day and put it in my cell 'the ss and alloy cell'.

Dallas, thanks for the response. I feel like I am part of things again. When I initially got started about 9 months ago I had to sift through the discussion boards seeing animated gifs showing a bullshit meter, and it is great to get past that and to get to testing. I have a mechanic that is going to test out the cell with my car and his, and whatever we find out we will let you know. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I really never knew that you had all this stuff. My word sticks from our initial email. The second you got something concrete with agreements and all the good stuff I'll help in any way I can to move it off the shelf. Thanks for getting to business. Sorry for being immature...but I am..It's fun sometimes.

[DallasGoldBug]

No prob.

The device you describe sounds interesting, ill do some digging myself.  But you mentioned "snag it our of the jug" is it a delivered jug or one thats connected to the buildings water main?  If its delivered, a problem you may run into is if the original water bottled is not pure, especially if it contained biological contaminants, then the water quality will continue to degrade regardless of the storage container or conditions.  Even if the water itself is pure, a plastic container may leak chemicals such as phthalates, or Bisphenol A into the bottled water. Many bottled water companies also add sulfites to their water in order to enhance the flavor, claiming that the water tastes fresher.  If its tap water it may contain various types of natural but relatively harmless to drink but will rip your electrode apart from the inside out.  Contaminants such as scaling agents like calcium carbonate in hard water and metal ions such as magnesium and iron, and odoriferous gases such as hydrogen sulfide just to name a few. 

Taken from web site  http://www.csicop.org/si/9801/powell.html

Magnetic Water and Fuel Treatment: Myth, Magic, or Mainstream Science?  by Mike R. Powell
Magnetic treatment has been claimed to soften water and improve the combustibility of fuels. A literature review reveals that these claims are not well supported by data.

Note that only the "effective" or "subjective" hardness is claimed to be reduced through magnetic treatment. No magnesium or calcium is removed from the water by magnetic treatment. Instead, the claim is that the magnetic field decreases the tendency of the dissolved minerals to form scale. Even though the dissolved mineral concentration indicates the water is still hard, magnetically treated water supposedly behaves like soft water.


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[DallasGoldBug]

Interesting Info
FYI

I pulled it from DTIC's website


Accession Number : ADA171214

Title :   Effect of Hydrogen on the Mechnical Properties and Fracture Behavior of High Purity Aluminum.

Descriptive Note : Technical rept.,

Corporate Author : ILLINOIS UNIV AT URBANA DEPT OF MATERIALS SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING

Personal Author(s) : Zeides, Felix ; Birnbaum, Howard K.

Report Date : JUL 1986

Pagination or Media Count : 131

Abstract : In this study of hydrogen effects on 99.999% pure aluminum, hydrogen was introduced by a corrosion process. Two corrosive media were used; deionized pure water was used for dynamic hydrogen charging during mechanical tests and an alkaline solution for hydrogen precharging. Hydrogen was found to change the response of the material to plastic deformation causing softening and plastic deformation localization on the macroscale and slip line coarsening as well as an increase in their waviness on the microscale. Hydrogen did not cause an earlier onset of the macroscopic plastic instability, i.e. necking. Hydrogen modified the fracture mode from a totally ductile, chisel point type to a more brittle transgranular or intergranular fracture. Fracture started only after onset of necking. The hydrogen induced fracture modification is believed to result from the plastic deformation modification and from the effect of hydrogen on microvoid nucleation. Some fracture surfaces were covered with a film that was occasionally fragmented by a network of cracks which is believed to be a post fracture effect caused by adhesive wear between opposite fracture surfaces. Hydrogen charging resulted in formation of bulk vacancy clusters, linear dimensions shrinkage and grain growth which were interpreted as evidence for vacancy production during the corrosion reaction and for a significant hydrogen-vacancy binding enthalpy.

Descriptors :   *CORROSION, *HYDROGEN, *ALUMINUM, PLASTIC DEFORMATION, MECHANICAL PROPERTIES, TENSILE PROPERTIES, THESES, FRACTURE(MECHANICS), PURITY, CRACK PROPAGATION, DUCTILITY, VACANCIES(CRYSTAL DEFECTS), ABSORPTION, HYDROGEN EMBRITTLEMENT, ENTHALPY, SHRINKAGE, ELECTRIC CHARGE, REDUCTION OF AREA.

Subject Categories : PROPERTIES OF METALS AND ALLOYS
      MECHANICS


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