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Overunity Machines Forum



New HHO Cell Help 500ml 90sec

Started by rtsurfer, March 18, 2008, 09:18:29 PM

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nrg00

could it be that the 2 neg plates are acting in series so your pulling twice the current through them than through the single neg plates and accordingly creating more H in that area of the circuit?

have you checked how John Arrons on youtube is doing it, he has tons of different configurations in videos posted.



edit- i just checked their site and it reads:

QuoteWe set up
our plates in this configuration and it seems to work quite well.
( - N N N + N N N -) Center plate is positive. Outside plates are negative. The "N" stands for neutral, these plates don't electrically hook up to anything, just in the way of the current, in which lowers the voltage to 2-3 volts between the plates. The lower voltage keeps from cooking the electrodes and causing cell clean out once a month.

http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster2.html


rtsurfer

when the cell is hot I am seeing around 20amps now. My meter cuts out between 18 and 20amps. I have a 30amp fuse in for 2 days and it is fine. Cold cell running in the 5amp range.

Now I am not sure on htis but I think the cell it producing more HHO between the center neg. plates because of the surrounding pos plates. By adding another neg in there may just up the amps much more. But again I am not sure. my first cell was

Pos/Neg-Neg-Neg-Neg-Neg-Neg/Pos and that was about the same 500ml 90sec. But that cell burnt up.

This one is holding temp good and amps ok.

As far as temp. Well when it is running at 20amps it is very hot. but under 140degrees. next is to get a temp gauge on it. But I do not want to add any other metal inside the cell.

Davetech

Current flow always follows the path of least resistance and I think the two pairs of neg plates that are surrounding the center pos plate are reinforcing each other to create an imbalance of resistance in the cell. Intuition tells me that to get even production on the plates requires an even distribution of pos and neg which will result in even distribution of the resistance.

This effect may be less pronounced in a high voltage, low current pulsed cell but more pronounced in this type of brute force electrolysis cell.


I'm no expert on hydrogen production but I did stay in a Residence Inn last night.


rtsurfer

Well I have made some adjustments and well I am still at 500ml 90sec.

I moved the left neg plate to the right side and then added a positive plate to the right side so

pos/neg-neg/pos/neg-neg/pos/neg-neg/pos


Now what!

darbee63

I've seen pretty much the same effect but higher up when using single plates and both cathode and anode fed from the top.

Bring both power sources in from the bottom, and it appears to go away, thats the funny part about it, it doesn't, the reaction just moved closer to the opposing poles and with the riser/chimney effect and the gases going upward, it appears even. The resistance should gain as both poles get farther away from their starting point at a pretty even rate.

I believe your seeing a combination of a few things, electricity taking the least path of resistance with the positive/negative at their strongest with the least resistance being midway, theres no other way for it to happen. If it was stronger at the top, it would mean the resistance on the bottom would be high and that can't happen. If it was stronger at the bottom the farthest point for the other opposing pole it would mean its resistance is higher at its starting point.
This can happen, but an improbability when using the same composite, thickness, spacing and electrolyte.

darbee63