Bedini's Wooden Toys

[albert]

Hello,
let me chime in here. I have built several small and large Bedini motors as can be seen in the thread "bedini replication in Germany."
I think that john never said that the OU is in the motor. It seems to come up in the batteries when they are conditioned to the Bedini charging process. So trying to run the SSG with capacitors only is not going to work. I have recently remade my initial ol' bike wheel motor with a fixed axle and new bearings. This way I can run a mechanical switcher off the axis of the bike wheel. I tried to run on caps only and could not get it to work. Perhaps it will work with some more coils doing recovery.

John has always claimed that his other fundamental design, the window motor, can work off a cap. This is a totally different geometry from the SSG. the coil goes 360 degrees around the device.

so dont be disappointed in the SSG. If you run it slowly, don't force too much energy into the charging battery and switch batteries at the right moment, you can make it deliver about 2-3 times the energy the batteries were charged with initially. At least that is my experience.

the wooden toys on the shelf seen in the Bedini video certainly have coils and a battery, they remind me of some commercial toys that could be bought several years ago. they run forever on a small battery as they only need a pulse every couple of seconds. Nothing new here!

Albert

[WilbyInebriated]

@koen1

so, for clarity:
more armchair quarterbacking.
more opinions about how it should be done by someone who has stated he wont do it.
more conditions to get you to do it.
more conjecture, no one in this thread has claimed the bedini sg to be the solution 'our' energy crisis. never did i say that hearsay was 'invalid', it is what it is... hearsay.

so its not possible that it is operator error that causes the batteries to go "deader than flat"? not proper impedance matching or any number of variables? it must be the machine? why not mention that? don't wanna make unfounded claims i know... see here's the gist... again, for clarity. you haven't built one so anything you say about it is hearsay. it is not hearsay when i speak of my experience or albert or ren does, because we have built replications. you say the wrong things because you haven't built one, example from your first post:
"Still find reports of batteries that have run such motors for years, then all of a sudden go ultra-dead, and then need to be put in a grid-powered charged to "recuperate", during which they pull several times the supposed total battery power before starting to recharge."
the batteries that RUN the motors aren't affected by this "deader than flat" problem, it is the CHARGE batteries that are.
the sg is not a powerhouse, it is a simple circuit to demonstrate the principle... what you do with that principle is up to you.

[Koen1]

Yeah whatever dude. In many designs the run and charge batteries are the same thing.
But then again you seem to have serious trouble getting over the "SG" toy...

As far as the battery thing goes, it may have been "operator error", it may have been
bad batteries, it could be all kinds of stuff, but the main point it there was something
with the batteries going dead, even Bedini and Bearden noticed and mentioned it,
and you may not want to believe me but then at least do your own research into the
phenomenon instead of getting angry with me. It is not something I am trying to
sell you, it is something I know has been around and you, as the great Bedini motor
builder, might want to keep an eye on.
Do with it what you will, I'm out.

[WilbyInebriated]

we are talking about the "bedini sg" here, don't try and squirm out of this with some claim of some other variation... here is the circuit to refresh your memory,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Schematic

where did i say i did not believe you? did i not in my last post state a little more clearly what you so horribly messed up? heres a quote from a post of yours from another thread chew on it for a bit...

"For someone who is constantly acting as if he is lecturing others and pointing out that they
are wrong, you are very good at overlooking your own enormous errors."

maybe i did misunderstand you... please show me in your first post where you gave the thread creator some positive encouragement to attempt a replication? all i saw was negative, first you came in stating "we" were all wrong for calling a bedini sg, great first impression... then later you claim its to avoid confusion with the searl generator. i think the bedini in front of the sg avoids that... you then expounded on a negative anomaly of the device, just enough to be negative and of course you couldn't go further without risking "unfounded claims". you then went on to tell us all how you would do it... if you were gonna. if someone does that you will jump on the band wagon with us... then later you ARE on the bandwagon with us? another neat trick
then you made sure to tell us how this was suspicious to you, that no one seems to want to build it the way you think it should be done, followed by the summation about decennia even. all of this is encouraging to the first time builder how? no you didn't tell anyone NOT to build one but you sure painted a negative picture. you made sure not to encourage also... how unbiased

[Koen1]

What do you want from me? You want me to cheer you on while you build another "SG"?
Dude, if you need positive stimulation to do your experiments, then find it yourself.
I just pointed out what I think is worth keeping an eye on with regard to the battery,
and that the huge difference you seem to see between the "SG" and all other Bedini motors
is not at all that big in my opinion. But then again, you have clearly indicated not to
care about my opinion as it is "only armchair expertise" in your opinion, so I wonder
why you even want to argue about it at all... your using a quote of mine that is completely
out of context does not really support your ... well, let's call it argument. In that thread
claims of complete OU prediction are made by a man who has yet to show any supporting
evidence for his own claims, while in this thread here I merely pointed out what others
have observed and reported with regard to the Bedini motors.
Since you seem to have trouble understanding it, I'll say it one last time:
I am not trying to sell you the story, I am just pointing it out to you. What you do with it
is your thing, since you're the one working on Bedini motors. If you refuse to look into
the possibility of the "deep cycle charge" thing that some have suggested, that is all
fine with me, I don't care what you do. I thought you might like to look into it,
since most researchers like to study a phenomenon from different angles,
but apparently you do not want to even consider the possibility. Fine with me man,
do what you like. It's your party.
When you manage to run your car off an "SG", don't forget to post it eh? 

Oh, and by the way, this thread is titled "Bedinid's Wooden Toys", not "the SG thread",
so no, we are not necessarily and only talking about the "SG" like you seem to be saying.
And please don't use this as a handle for yet another useless argument.