Bedini's Wooden Toys

[Pirate88179]

I have decided to build a small version of the Bedini SG motor.  I have been collecting parts.  I am going to use the head bearings from an old vcr as the rotor.  My main interest at this point is to "resurrect" my cell phone bat. which only last about an hour of talk time now.  I have seen several videos of people doing just this.  They say it makes the battery last longer than when they first bought it.  This alone would save me over $50.00 and I know I can build one for less than that.  If that works, I am going to zap my laptop batteries which will save me about $150.00 (more than the laptop is worth) if it works.  I know I can buy the batteries and repair the laptop cell myself for about $40.00 but this would be more fun if it works.

Then, I want to try to power the Bedini motor from my earth battery cells.  I also want to try the super caps things as I have been playing with them in the Earth battery experiments all along.  They are much better than any battery I have ever seen or used.

I am trying to keep an open mind and do not expect miracles.  No matter what happens, I will be having fun and surely learn a thing or two along the way. (Unless it blows up, ha ha)

Bill

[WilbyInebriated]

I have decided to build a small version of the Bedini SG motor.  I have been collecting parts.  I am going to use the head bearings from an old vcr as the rotor.  My main interest at this point is to "resurrect" my cell phone bat. which only last about an hour of talk time now.  I have seen several videos of people doing just this.  They say it makes the battery last longer than when they first bought it.  This alone would save me over $50.00 and I know I can build one for less than that.  If that works, I am going to zap my laptop batteries which will save me about $150.00 (more than the laptop is worth) if it works.  I know I can buy the batteries and repair the laptop cell myself for about $40.00 but this would be more fun if it works.

Then, I want to try to power the Bedini motor from my earth battery cells.  I also want to try the super caps things as I have been playing with them in the Earth battery experiments all along.  They are much better than any battery I have ever seen or used.

I am trying to keep an open mind and do not expect miracles.  No matter what happens, I will be having fun and surely learn a thing or two along the way. (Unless it blows up, ha ha)

Bill

i know you know to exercise care with lithiums, here is my experience with doing what you are planning. the lithiums did not warm up at all, except when i was using probe tips contacting the + and - contact plate surface on the battery and the probe tips had vibrated slightly away from the battery creating a miniature spark gap. i fixed that right away but noticed the battery got very hot, but just at the area around that contact plate. once i made a more stable 'jig' to hold it all i never encountered that again. as far as input voltage, i played around a bit, anything from 3.3V up to 20V

earth cells powering bedini on the front end and charging super caps? or super caps on the front end? sounds cool either way.

[Koen1]

@WilbyInebriated:
Dude, what is your problem?

I merely point out that I have heard tons of stories about and from people
building Bedini motors and other battery chargers who experience the
dead battery phenomenon. It is well known and even Bedini and Bearden
mention it.

Why attack me for not actually building the thing?

Do I attack you for not building other devices? No, I don't.

And when you have a Bedini motor that can power your house,
or run your car, then I'll be severely impressed.
But impressed with you trying to burn me for not building one,
i am not.
Do you not see that is beside the point? It is not what I was talking about.
But hey, if you choose to refuse to listen to my story about the
dead battery thing, that's cool, just don't harass me with your
building zeal either then, ok?

[WilbyInebriated]

lets see, you come into this thread where someone is thinking about building a bedini device and asking about some of the demonstration devices bedini has shown, you contribute nothing to the threads main topic and attempt to derail it by an entirely negative post backed by your third party hearsay knowledge and i have a problem? LOL

still not sure where you think i attacked you, please point out the sentence that offended you.

"tons of stories"? yeah and i've told you a million times not to exaggerate. i'm not 'harassing' you with some imaginary zeal... let me be blunt since you didn't get when i was civil. you haven't built one, you have no personal experience to add, all you have brought to the table is some "i heard this from a friend of a friend" and all of that was negative.  why try and talk someone out of an experiment based on your third party knowledge?

i saw 3 points to your first post:
1 to call it a school girl is 'wrong'
2 batteries 'dry up', you didn't mention that this is a side effect of using just voltage to charge the battery.
3 your 'conditions' to get you on the bandwagon.

[Koen1]

lets see, you come into this thread where someone is thinking about building a bedini device and asking about some of the demonstration devices bedini has shown, you contribute nothing to the threads main topic and attempt to derail it by an entirely negative post backed by your third party hearsay knowledge and i have a problem? LOL

Haha! Yeah, that's funny. 
When did I "try to derail" anything?
I merely pointed out some things I think should be kept in mind.
I never told anyone not to attempt Bedini replications, did I?
Do not put words into my mouth or accuse me of doing things I did not do.

still not sure where you think i attacked you, please point out the sentence that offended you.

Well you have been quite (passively) aggressive in your reactions.
I don't see a reason for that.

"tons of stories"? yeah and i've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

I am not exaggerating much. I I really have heard many stories about peoples batteries dying in some form of Bedini setup.

i'm not 'harassing' you with some imaginary zeal... let me be blunt since you didn't get when i was civil. you haven't built one, you have no personal experience to add, all you have brought to the table is some "i heard this from a friend of a friend" and all of that was negative.  why try and talk someone out of an experiment based on your third party knowledge?

Well, I think now I see why you are so upset. You misunderstood.
I am NOT trying to talk anyone out of any experiments!
I am merely pointing out that battery death has been reported in the context of the Bedini motors,
and that perhaps you should keep an eye on that possibility.
I am not claiming that the battery death phenomenon is necessarily going to act up, but
that I think it is something you should keep in mind when running tests on your motor
and batteries. And of course, if something like that occurs at all, it would only be after a
long time, so you'd only see it in long term tests.

Ans about your remarks dismissing my input as useless "third party hearsay";
come on man, as if you received the motor design from John Bedini himself personally.
Do not accuse me of referring to "third party" info, for you are yourself using "third party" info as well.
Or are you that "school girl" that personally got the design from Bedini? No, I didn't think so.

You may have built a version of that design. Well, great, and I applaud you for that.
But that still does not answer any questions about the battery phenomenon.
You may prefer to dismiss it as "negative" and "hearsay", instead of considering
the possibility and simply stating that you have not experienced anything like that
yourself. Fine. And you may indeed never encounter the phenomenon. Now I would
then take the latter to be positive feedback, since that would show that the claimed
"deep cycling" is not in fact happening and there is real OU taking place. But you
are of course free to dismiss the very idea of the "deep cycling"/"battery death"
reports.

I may not have built one, but I have built other types of pm, and I have been involved
in pm motor building for quite a while, including a group that tested several promising
designs incl some bedini variations. That was years ago already, but one thing that
was quite a thing in the discussions was that battery phenomenon, which was also
addressed by Bedini himself.

Also, as it is apparently unclear to you what I said, let us review:

i saw 3 points to your first post:
1 to call it a school girl is 'wrong'

Yes, I did say that in my opinion it is not correct to refer to it as "the schoolgirl motor"
because it is merely a simplified version of Bedinis standard motor concept.
So it is a Bedini motor of the design he shared with that "schoolgirl".
You could also call it "the science fair motor" if you'd like, for that was what the
"schoolgirl" used it for. But that does not change the fact that it is a Bedini motor.
Using terms as "SG" could confuse people, as the term is also used for totally different
things, like the famous Searl Generator for example.
But that was a minor point, more intended to simply be food for thought, and certainly not
a point of argument in my view.

2 batteries 'dry up', you didn't mention that this is a side effect of using just voltage to charge the battery.

No, I didn't mention the batteries "dry up" either, I said it is claimed that after a certain period of use,
the batteries appear to go "deader than flat". I did not mention what causes this because I am not sure
what does, so I don't really want to make any unfounded claims on that. I recall that back in the days
when the motor builders group I mentioned was still active, there were quite a lot of reports of Bedini
battery chargers and/or motors workign just fine for long periods, but then every once in a while
someone would report that their batteries went flat and needed a lot more grid-powered input to
recharge and become functional again. That is what I brought up, and what you seem to find such
a horrible an idea that you do not even want to think about it, and prefer to burn me for. Or at least,
that's what it sounds like, and if you claim you are not attacking me then why are your replies
so passively aggressive?

3 your 'conditions' to get you on the bandwagon.

Again you seem to be missing the point. I was on the bandwagon years ago, and still am,
but at present am involved in totally different experiments that require most of the spare
time I have. As tons of people have been and still are working on Bedini motors, I am sure
someone will figure out a way to turn one into something more usefull than a battery
charger, something like a direct output generator. When that happens, I may well decide
to build one. This is also why I nag about the use of capacitors instead of batteries:
if it is not a "deep cycle" battery-killing process that occurs in the Bedini motors,
and it is really producing OU, regardless of whether it is "back EMF capture" or "negative
energy spikes generated by a locally broken quantum symmetry" (the two most commonly
used explanations for why it works), then a version without batteries should work as well,
and in that case we should be able to use capacitors, and we should be able to upscale
the output into something we can use to power our homes on.
You could try that with tons of little batteries and charge them constantly, but it seems
to me that although the Bedini back-poppers are of an ingenious design, the "schoolgirl"
design will not be the solution to our energy "crisis".
In any case, the guys in those pm builders group have built and tested many versions,
and although selfrunners were built, none of those was able to actually produce
usefull amounts of output. The group was active for several years.
Oh, right, that's all invalid info as far as you're concerned, because it is "third party" info, I bet.


So, for clarity:
1) by all means build a Bedini motor if you want
2) if you like, and you decide to run long term measurements, keep an eye on the battery
recharge time; perhaps regularly recharge the battery using a normal grid-powered
charger, see if they still charge in the same way and same time period. This could
provide more certainty about the entire claimed "dead battery" phenomenon.
3) I think using the term "SG" for a Bedini motor can be confusing as it is also
used for the Searl Generator for example.
4) I think we should ultimately try to build a Bedini motor without battery, as a self-running
power generator instead of a battery charger.
5) I am not trying to discourage anyone from building their devices
6) I am not trying to pick a fight or anything like that.