OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

[gyulasun]

Stefan,

No it is not connected as a selfrunning circuit, Sandy clearly states a COP of about 1.2 in his first and later posts but the schematics disclosed is not looped back.

He first charges up the input cap to 8V from an outside source and let it discharge by the total circuit to 7V for taking the measurements and then he switches off the circuit.

Please read this thread again, not so long, I understand there are other exciting topics going on but take your time also here to be fully in the picture.

rgds,  Gyula

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@all
apologies for the delay in replying, i am on holiday, away from home  at the moment - so, tourist by day & experimentor by night  ...hmmm, sounds a bit like 'Dr Jeckyl & Mr Hyde'

@Gyula
good observations about electrets! Thanks for the links (i've often wondered about the possibility of 'home-brewing' electrets)

...and not off-topic at all...

a little while back i was thinking about the different behaviour of inductance & capacitance and wondering how the behaviour of each could possibly be contributing to the charge/energy anomalies which are happening in these experiments

at first i thought that an inductance was special and different from a capacitor because it is possible to have 'permanent solenoid/inductance' (ie. a permanent magnet) and there didn't seem to be an equivalent for the capacitor - but then i realised that there is a similar component which acts like a 'permanent capacitor' - an electret!

i believe that, although the inductor and capacitor operate with different fields, they have similar sorts of mechanisms which operate in their total behaviour:

eg. if you try to stop the current in an inductor, the aether automatically tries to adjust the voltage so the same current continues - and my idea is now that if you try to discharge a capacitor then the aether automatically tries to adjust the charge so that the same voltage continues!

so we already understand that there is a  'current inertia' with an energised inductor but possibly also we are seeing in this experiment evidence of a 'charge inertia' with an energised capacitor

it would be fascinating to experiment with combinations of PMs and electrets swapped into some of our circuits in place of inductors and capacitors and see if we start getting 'free energy' directly from their action together

yes, i aim to look in more detail at the difference between caps with and without magnet 'biasing' - i will post any positive or negative results i find (so many things to try, and so few hours between 11:00pm and 8:00am !!


@Stefan
thanks for the interest - my results already contain measured power to the switching circuitry

i've had two different types of switching so far: transistor Darlington pairs first, and now MOSFET - the power drawn in both cases has been a few mA (about 1/10th of the power supplied to the whole circut, in these tests)

as Gyula correctly mentions, all the power for the experiment (for both switching and load) is supplied by discharging the input capacitor - there is no external supply or Signal Genrs.

so if there is really more charge gained, or more energy being converted here than is being supplied, then the extra is not being 'stolen' from a different part of the circuit - it has to come from 'outside' the conventional circuit!

no, the circuit is not being self-run, the loop has not yet been closed - at the moment, these experiments are just looking at anomalies in charge & energy conservation in capacitor charge switching and trying to learn why they produce results which  indicate OU behaviour

hopefully the things we learn from making variations in these experiments will show us how to go forward and make the best use of the key principles working here and apply them in real-world applications like OU Power Supply devices, etc

one or two members have shown interest in trying to replicate these effects - and in fact, NerzhDishual has already seen a similar charge anomaly just discharging cap-to-cap without switching

i'm hoping i can support these replication attempts with further detail from my setup, if required

regards
sandy

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isn't Synchronicity a wonderful thing?

i'd just read a message from NerzhDisual where he mentioned about the need for taking a break occasionally from things like computers - and yes ...even overunity.com (sorry, Stefan!)

and here i am taking a break to go on vacation (ok, so i cheated & brought my PC, but i had to leave the experiment hardware behind, didn't i?)

so, now i have more time to read than i usually give myself

and, what do i choose to read? well, papers relating to free energy, of course

(you think just because i'm on holiday i'm going to relax? get real!)

so here i am, 'randomly' choosing a paper by Aspden where he reviews the known features of Tesla's electric car and suggests that the 'mysterious' power source may have been an over-unity system similar to something Aspden had outlined in an earlier patent or paper

and as i read the following quotes, i thought to myself: "he's not just describing a possible power source for Tesla's car - he's also describing this experiment i've been doing, down to actual observed behaviour!"

the following are quotes from Aspden's writings about Tesla's Pierce-Arrow Car;
my comments about the switched cap experiment are shown in { } braces:-


"...there must be a retardation effect in setting up the aether spin within the capacitor (because the induction of the spin is not spontaneous in response to the setting up of the radial electric field...but involves delay and this precludes operation at 100kHz)..."

{switched cap experiment: cycle = 0.5 to 1kHz; test duration = 45-100s}


"...operation at much lower frequency means the need for much higher capacitance to achieve the required power output...whereas capacitance of the order of a nanofarad was what i had in mind with 100kHz operation, it seems that i now must think in terms of hundreds of microfarads..."

{experiment: switched cap. 2x1000uF in series = 500uF}


"...the spin condition [implies] import of kinetic energy from the aether to augment the electric energy priming the capacitor, with that kinetic energy being non-recoverable by the aether external to the capacitor during electric discharge and so being shed by augmenting the output voltage to deliver more energy than was supplied as input..."

{experiment: output energy/input energy = 1.1}


"...there is much to be gained by pulsing the capacitor with unidirectional current rather than the normal sinusoidal current we associate with a.c. operation. this would keep the aether spin ongoing in the same direction but oscillating about a mean level..."

{experiment: DC charge pulse-switched to 500uF cap}


"...concerning how a capacitor can deliver more output energy on discharge than during the charging stage, given the inherent power source ... whereas charge input occurs in the normal way, it is desirable for the input voltage to be switched off before discharge begins and also desirable to force the current out in a controlled manner during discharge. Excess energy delivery can only be by virtue of an excess voltage in the output phase..."

{experiment: charge switched-in to cap for 1 time unit; off for 9 units}


"...maybe [Tesla's capacitors] incorporated a special kind of dielectric and here, i recall reading somewhere in connection with more recent over-unity energy claims, about experiments using barium titanate as dielectric, it having a very high dielectric constant..."

{experiment: 500u cap dielectric is likely 800-1000 -due to extremely thin, electrochem. etched, foil}


"...as to the stress now placed on d.c. operation i can further add that, after publishing my first proposals concerning a concentric capacitor having potential for anomalous energy effects...an engineer experienced in d.c. power supply via co-axial cables, as used by underground railways, [reported] that he had observed that in servicing such power lines it was not sufficient merely to short-circuit the cable to discharge it once power had been switched off. experience had shown that the cable could surprise one by recovering its voltage and it took quite a while for the energy stored in the cable capacitance to discharge fully, far longer than one might expect..."

{experiment: the caps show auto recharge after discharge}


i believe that the processes and behaviour mentioned in these quotes strongly suggest that the switched capacitor experiment described in this thread has achieved a small-scale verification of Mr Aspden's predictions for transferring excess energy from the Quantum Vacuum medium (previously known as the 'Aether') into a conventional load

...didn't someone once say "if it walks like a duck ...and it talks like a duck - then it probably IS a duck!"?

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@all
i've moved this thread away from 'Super Capacitors' because it appears that the charge/energy anomalies i'm seeing in these experiments are not related to either the input or output capacitors (which are SuperCap stacks) - i believe the OU effect is taking place in the switching cap (which is not a SuperCap) moving charge from the input cap to the output

i realise that the 'Tesla Switch' referred to in this thread's title is a modern circuit and not in itself strictly a Tesla technology - BUT - i have read in some of Tesla's writings that he had discovered a way to 'siphon' charge from a generator using frequent, small amounts of charge via a capacitor in such a way that he could extract as much energy as he liked and it wouldn't affect the source

that sounds to me suspiciously like a description of 'free energy' - and his general approach, described above, is exactly what is going on in these experiments

so for these reasons i believe that the 'Tesla Technology' forum is a better location for this thread


i've now updated the 'Doc Ringwood' site to summarise various observations about the anomalies and also my conclusions about the OU nature of the experiments:

Doc Ringwood's 'Free Energy' website  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[alan]

If there really is something, then this experiment has the potential to proof it.
good luck!