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OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

Started by nul-points, April 04, 2008, 11:49:23 PM

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alan

My apology for the confusion :)
I think the paper is relevant because of its title and it is mentioned in some books like beardens and moray's (I thought).
I requested the paper and he said I should contact him by phone,but I didn't.

allcanadian

"Energy Creation in Electrical Sparks and Discharges".... thats an interesting topic I had some thoughts on recently. A man named Victor Schauberger once said---- We should always consider things in there opposite sense as well. In this case we could say a high potential ionizing force(energy) has jumped the gap between two wires ------ Or we could say a high potential ionizing force simply manifested the energy that was always present in latent form within a space between two wires. I think it's important to remember that Tesla, Moray,Shappeller and others considered an electric current and heat to be the "lowest" forms of energy and unfortunately these are the only forms of energy we presently understand and use to perform work.
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nul-points

hi allcanadian

if these ideas of electrical 'inertia', due to the characteristics of the aether/vacuum medium, mentioned above, are correct then i would see electric discharges/sparks as the logical outcome of over-stressing the medium

in the case where we setup an electric 'dipole' using our own wires & electric charge, the aether responds by deforming it's 'crystal lattice' type energy structure to flow around the wires (read 'wave-guides') and diverge a little of it's energy into our circuit

break the circuit and, if the conditions are right (eg aether power temporarily stored thro' component operation, like inductance, etc), the 'inertia' characteristic of the aether will try & keep the energy flowing - when the 'wave-guide' (our wire) is broken then the aether is able to sustain the energy flow, whilst the dipole still exists, by creating its own 'wave-guide' thro' air, space, etc

this aether-created 'wave-guide'/replacement for wire is what we call a spark or electrical discharge

it can also happen in the case of stressing the medium with an electrical dipole without prior wire connection - the stress is large enough for the aether to form its own 'wave-guide' across the nearest points with greatest stress

perhaps the best-recognised natural example of this is the lightning-strike - a 'thread' of aether 'wave-guide' grows from an earth-point, up thro' the sky to a storm cloud and then, when the 'connection' is complete, there is a massive discharge of current back down the 'wave-guide' from the sky to the ground

i would say that the first type above is 'inertia' induced - caused by a rapid discontinuity of an existing man-made 'connection' where energy is already flowing - and the second type results from the massive stress itself creating a dipole directly into the structure of the aether 'crystal lattice'

...thinks, i wonder if any of this is actually making sense?
sandy

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alan

Hello Sandy,

I found this in a bearden paper:

[2]  For proof that you can charge an ordinary capacitor almost without
entropy, see I. Fundaun, C. Reese, and H. H. Soonpaa, "Charging a Capacitor,"
_American Journal of Physics_, 60(11), pp. 1047-1048 (1992).  A capacitor can
be step-charged in small steps to dramatically reduce the entropy required to
charge it.  In the limit, a theoretically perfect capacitor can be fully
charged without any electrical current or work at all, i.e., you can simply
transport the excess energy density (the potential gradient) of the open
circuit voltage of the source to the collector, and couple that {del-phi} to
the electrons trapped in the capacitor plates, without electric current from
or through the source.


Now where to find this research paper?

gyulasun

hi Alan,

Here is link to the American Journal of Physics but can be received by paying for it.
http://www.kzoo.edu/ajp/online.html   
I think it is worth visiting a local university or college library and ask for a copy of the article even via inter-library service.

What I understand by step charge referred to by Bearden, this method may reduce the inrush current into a capacitor when you start charging it the usual way but I am doubtful on a possible "free lunch" from the proposed process.  Of course, reading the full article would be the best to judge the benefit of step charging.

Re.  on  P.T. Pappas, Energy Creation in Electrical Sparks and Discharges,  here is a link but also involves money to get it, unfortunately: http://www.theriac.org/riacapps/library/?found=26420-368    In this case it seems also the best to turn to a library service.

rgds,  Gyula