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The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)

Started by pauldude000, April 09, 2008, 08:35:14 PM

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duff

Quote from: pauldude000 on June 05, 2008, 04:26:30 AM
@GeniusDudeWhereverYouAre

I need someone to answer a question for me. If an electrical path doesn't exist, current doesn't flow...right?

Then explain to me enough juice to run three leds from collectors not electrically connected to control coils I am pulsing.... with ONLY ONE LEAD from a function generator? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


Could it be a common ground between your function generator and the ground lead of the scope probe?

-Duff

pauldude000

@duff

I thought of that, but the collectors to which the scope probe is connected are only inductively connected to the control coils to which the function generator is connected.

The collectors are triple insulated from the controls (Insulated strands with a plastic sheath around all four, with another layer of 50% overlap black electrical tape).

No direct electrical connection of any sort between collectors and controls. (Has to be inductive.)

Without function generator connected, familiar 10mv "flame" (multiple resonations/harmonics in the same circuit at close to the same frequency) of extremely high frequency.

With function generator connected with only the positive lead, it is like the FG ground is connected. Changing frequency on the FG changes output on the TPU. Familiar voltage nodes, harmonics, resonants, subharmonics.

Paul Andrulis




Finding truth can be compared to panning for gold. It generally entails sifting a huge amount of material for each nugget found. Then checking each nugget found for valuable metal or fool's gold.

wattsup

@pauldude000

All that you are saying sounds normal to me. You can get a good 4-12 volts from the function generator, depending on the frequency used with only the one probe on the system. This happens all the time. I do this often on primaries to test secondary reactions with the scope.

You have to be carefull when using function generators and even scope on low voltage systems. Even the scope probe can add voltage to the system. This has also happened to me on occassion where you forget your scope probe, come back and see some voltage accumulated in a dioded capacitor. lol Then you jump to the roof. Then you realize what it was. Downer. lol

Maybe check the voltage directly from the FG.



pauldude000

@Wattsup

I am sort of confused by your post.

This is a purely inductive circuit. No capacitors. No diodes. No resistors. Only the coils.

I am applying 15v Peak to peak from the function generator, yes, to the controls coils only. There is NO connection between the controls and the collectors whatsoever besides inductive. ONLY the positive from the function generator is connected. The ground lead is UNCONNECTED. There should be little or no current flow from the FG through the controls.

The collectors are highly insulated from the controls. (Three layers of insulation minimum) The scope probe is hooked across the collector coil, and is grounded (not open probe).

I repeat, the entire set of coils is ONLY inductive, no active or passive components whatsoever, besides the three leds across the collector. Leds disconnected do not affect the voltage much at all. (They draw the output voltage DOWN slightly.)

I seriously state this is anything BUT normal, and would like to know what the heck is going on. Why am I getting induction in an open loop system? How is electrical generation even occurring in this situation?

I can only think of two things myself.

1. Magnetic field storage/transmission in the solenoids due to pulsed voltage with no current from the FG.
2. Electrical field pulsation/transmission independant of a current induced magnetic field.

Remember, as I clarify yet again, the entire system is insulated from accidental grounding or current flow, and the function generator, the motive supply source of current for the system is open, not closed. I repeat, ONLY the positive FG supply lead is connected.

Paul Andrulis



Finding truth can be compared to panning for gold. It generally entails sifting a huge amount of material for each nugget found. Then checking each nugget found for valuable metal or fool's gold.

buzz-ard

I have to chime in here, because I have seen this often in my meager experiments. For me, this occurs most noticeably when the FG is tuned to the particular coil/scope setup. Hooking everything up correctly kills the effect. In my case, the scope was actually providing the power. The coil, being in resonance, did indeed boost what was being leeched from the scope, but resonance was all it was really contributing. Someone on the forum told me to isolate my scope input (through a transformer), then it became clear to me what was happening. This is also when I began to appreciate some of the effects feedback can have in the TPU.

Even though there's not a complete electrical return path, the coils to which the FG are attached are biased with each pulse. The bias creates potential, which in turn inductively creates potential on your collectors. But applying bias to a wire results in almost no current flow without a return path being available. No net work is being done - this is why hooking things up correctly kills any detectable output. The LEDs are being lit from the scope probe, which is picking up the ghostly imprint of potential that never became work.

Or at least this is how I explained it to myself. I'm definitely open to more enlightened thinking.
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