Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations

[the_big_m_in_ok]

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OK.
I guess, I understand what you are getting at. thanks for that explanation.
I was thinking of enhancing the other end of it, though.
I was thinking I'd make a kind of antenna which I would add to the NS coil.
How would you suggest I make a chicken wire transmitter for the joule thief? Just stick it on there and fiddle with it?
(This is such an interesting direction to go!)

Well, here's an idea:  The NS generator is an Earth-based system, right?  Attach buried structures to it or the output wires to increase current/voltage.  Many designs patented.  You might be creative and test different ways(parallel; series setups, etc.)

hmm. That looks dangerous to me. I mean dangerous in that it might attract the wrong crowd to my front door.
I might try some chicken wire, but nothing like a millimeter!

You have a point.  Homeland Security, to my mind, is suspicious of lots of things.  Then there's local ordinances.  Politics!!!             

--Lee

[jeanna]

Well, here's an idea:  The NS generator is an Earth-based system, right?  Attach buried structures to it or the output wires to increase current/voltage.  Many designs patented.  You might be creative and test different ways(parallel; series setups, etc.)

--Lee

I wonder...

With the secondary on a NS generator, there are 6 wire ends total.
I have twisted one pair for a centertap. Not the kind of centertap in a joule thief, however. I have connected the last-out ends of the primary wires (the 5,6).
I guess the secondary is the output wire.

It is the secondary that was connected to the scope when the NS gen showed a response to the joule thief.

I will be trying a few things soon.

I better buy another spool of speaker wire. I can connect the dome which is a big area. In itself, the dome did not enhance the dmm vdc reading, but this may need to be revisited with the scope.

Good ideas. Thanks Lee.

Oh, just to clarify, the 2 earth probes zinc and carbon are separated by 30 feet and added to each end is one NS generator, so there has been a buried influence all along.


jeanna

[protonmom]

@Jeanna,
I missed something here.  Where did you first start talking about a Dome??  Just direct me back to that post so I can get caught up again.  I have been busy trying to find out what Bill gained from his cu-zn-mg setup. 
Also, Jeanna, what ever happened with the cement pots setup you made?  Can you direct me there also?

@Bill.
I decided to try your cu-zn-mg device but was wondering what your results were, and why did you decide to use that configuration in the first place.  I am up to page 17 in LocalJoe's forum again, trying to locate the reason you had.  No luck yet. 

I am following three forums and trying to remember everything but it is hard to do.  And yet a lot of you are following a whole lot more forums than that...and you are doing just fine.  Wish I was as smart as the rest of you.  At least I am learning, and that is something to be proud of.  I came in here knowing how to plug in a lamp, and now I am learning how to extract energy from the ground.  Not too bad.  That is, IF I can remember it all!

[protonmom]

I do intend to make a joule thief and some of the other projects talked about, but my main interest is in the NS EB.  I want to make one just like Nathan's if at all possible.  I want to see it work without using any external extras if that can be done.  I don't think Nathan used any joule thief, or even supercaps.  He must  have just left something out of the patent that would have been obvious to anyone of his day.  If anyone here knows any psychic that has the ability to channel the spirits, maybe we could ask Mr. Stubblefield just what it is we are missing.   But since that is not likely, I think we are on our own here.
I have my latest EB ready and waiting for the secondary wire, but I still have not ordered that.  I probably should just go ahead and bury it while waiting for the wire and then dig it back up again, like we all did with our first EBs.
Here is the latest: First one Wet A200m = 92.5   Second one V20 = 0.83 No jump starts, no jt, no secondary, no ground - yet.

[the_big_m_in_ok]

jeanna said:

I wonder...
With the secondary on a NS generator, there are 6 wire ends total.

To be honest, I looked at Stubblefield's patent drawing and didn't understand it.
(Some patents are purposely like that.)
I believe the NS generator is like a buried transformer having a primary hooked up to two electrodes of differing metals, also buried?  The secondary is the power takeoff?

I have twisted one pair for a centertap. Not the kind of centertap in a joule thief, however. I have connected the last-out ends of the primary wires (the 5,6).

For a center tap,(like a transformer?) your dealing with AC?

I guess the secondary is the output wire.
It is the secondary that was connected to the scope when the NS gen showed a response to the joule thief.
I will be trying a few things soon.

Only one wire has current?  The center tap?

I better buy another spool of speaker wire. I can connect the dome which is a big area. In itself, the dome did not enhance the dmm vdc reading, but this may need to be revisited with the scope.

The speaker wire may also add to the electret effect?
A metallic dome---ungrounded---can generate a fair amount of power, if it's electrically sound.  But, I think, something like steel isn't as good as copper.

Good ideas. Thanks Lee.

Sure. Glad to help.

Oh, just to clarify, the 2 earth probes zinc and carbon are separated by 30 feet and added to each end is one NS generator, so there has been a buried influence all along.

Right.  Not surprising.  It amazes me that any Earth battery works at all.  It should be grounded.  Whether or not burying the metal mesh collecting electrodes I had mentioned earlier will make a difference is mostly speculation by me.  The NS system works, though.

--Lee