Alex's MT Combination

[hartiberlin]

Hi Hans and all,
here is some help:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/826.html

As I don?t have much time currently and either want to do my own simulations
maybe you can call them and arrange some copies being sent.
Also there are different books Besser published..

See this link:
http://kvk.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib-bin/kvk/nph-kvk2.cgi?maske=kvk-last&title=UB+Karlsruhe%3A+Karlsruhe+Virtual+Catalog+%28KVK+english%29%3A+Search+results&header=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-header_engl_11_11_02.html&spacer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-spacer_engl.html&footer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-footer_engl_11_11_02.html&lang=en&kvk-session=X7YZ1GHU&VERBUENDE=&kataloge=SWB&kataloge=BVB&kataloge=NRW&kataloge=HEBIS&kataloge=KOBV&kataloge=GBV&TI=&PY=&AU=Bessler%2C+Johann+Ernst+Elias&SB=&CI=&SS=&ST=&PU=&sortiert=nein&css=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-neu.css&target=_blank&Timeout=60

Anyway, back to my WM2D now..

[hartiberlin]

Here you can at least see a few original drawings and his handwriting:

http://www.lulu.com/browse/preview.php?fCID=593584

I am just trying to read the old German Fraktur handwriting,
which is not easy at this low resolution scan,
but the english translation is definately very sloppy...

Especially in drawing 1 there is  a formular A.B.C.= Y
is not translated correctly over here:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_1-20


Well, would be good to have highres scans of all the original
handwritings and texts to it.

As I do also Anchestor research I am a bit used to read old German
fraktur fonts..

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

Funny how wrongly the translation is also for MT2:
at:
http://static.lulu.com/items/volume_43/593000/593584/2/preview/book/page0010.png

It must be:

No.2: Diese Erfindung mit Kugeln und schr?gen geraden Linien haben viele,
fast die meisten Mobilis, vor allen Dingen....

now the following words are too hard to read in this small resolution...

So translatetd into English this would mean:

Number 2: This invention with balls ( spheres) and with straight tilted (beveled) lines
have many or are part of most of the perpertual motion machines, of course...

So compare this to:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_1-20
Where you can almost understand nothing...

Had been translated by a guy, who could not read German fraktur probably...

So we really need high resolution scans...

Also there is a formular at the end of this text saying:

2 + 3, 2 + 6 and 2 + 7

If I would have the high res scans, I could probaly dechifr? the whole German
fraktur text...


Regards, Stefan.

[fatspidr]

Hey Stefan,

I imagine that if you went over to Besslerwheel.com and offered your help to John Collins and the others who were trying their best to translate Bessler's writings they'd appreciate it.  The majority of them seem to be open to suggestions and corrections.  There's a nice wiki there with the MT drawings....you could sign up, comment and offer your version of the translation.

Don't think of that site as competition....I look at both of your sites as being complimentary.  The more the merrier.

Just a thought,

David

[hartiberlin]

Okay, maybe with the forumlar I was wrong, as the rest of the text was too small to read
and dechiffr?,
maybe it really meant some pages of another book that the
translation here
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=MT_1-20
has:

"No. 2: Almost unanimously the mobilists for whom the spheres were the main principle have chosen a figure for the most part like this one; such a figure has already been encountered in various books on mathematics and mechanics, and from the figure the mathematicians generally showed the impossibility of perpetual motion, just as though one could not bring forth a better figure as evidence. In particular, Jungnickel, in his almost peculiar book titled Key to Mechanics, pages 243, 246 and 247, has presented three such machines and intended to prove and enforce the impossibility of perpetual motion. Sturm also uses this figure, and even the late Leopold uses it in his Machine Treatise, of which he prepared 8 sections but did not complete because of his death."

    - Johann Bessler