Feynman makes a Bedini Motor

[PMM Dave]

Yes, you all pretty much get what I am saying. It looks like the Bedini machine is easier to build than it is to test. In order to test it one would need to:-
1) Define exactly what it is supposed to do
2) Design a protocol to test what it is supposed to do
3) Build a machine and run the test

Over the several decades that the Bedini machine has been around, I have seen many people build replicas but I have never seen anybody perform any of the other steps above. I spoke with Bedini himself way back on 11/16/87, when he was at the 16220 Orange Ave, Paramount address. I am not sure how long the Bedini machine had been around at that time, but it was certainly many years. At the time he said he was about to move to Idaho (don't know if he ever did), but was not willing to demonstrate his machine. He had also given pictures of his machine to Tom Bearden. Anybody know what became of his brother Gary?

I am not averse to building a machine if steps 1 and 2 can be completed first. But otherwise, I would wind up in the same position as everybody else who has built a machine, that is unable to demonstrate either success or failure in a conclusive manner.

For step 1), I would propose the following definition:-
The Bedini machine is supposed to charge a target battery from a source battery. The total energy in watt hours available from the charged target battery exceeds the total energy in watt hours removed from the depleted source battery.

Would you agree with this definition, or, can anybody come up with a better one? My suspicion is that it will be difficult to reach consensus on this point, but we can certainly try.

[Feynman]

PMM:

Post some pics of an experiment or else go back to your armchair.

[UncleFester]

Yes, you all pretty much get what I am saying. It looks like the Bedini machine is easier to build than it is to test. In order to test it one would need to:-
1) Define exactly what it is supposed to do
2) Design a protocol to test what it is supposed to do
3) Build a machine and run the test

Over the several decades that the Bedini machine has been around, I have seen many people build replicas but I have never seen anybody perform any of the other steps above. I spoke with Bedini himself way back on 11/16/87, when he was at the 16220 Orange Ave, Paramount address. I am not sure how long the Bedini machine had been around at that time, but it was certainly many years. At the time he said he was about to move to Idaho (don't know if he ever did), but was not willing to demonstrate his machine. He had also given pictures of his machine to Tom Bearden. Anybody know what became of his brother Gary?

Hey Dave. I don't know much about the Bedini either except that it appears to work as a de-sulfator. My simple SG motor with 20" bicycle wheel charges only at 700mA and yet the specific gravity tests show that the battery is being charged and NOT OVERCHARGED. It simply de-sulfates the battery and leaves it in a state as if you charged it correctly with a normal constant current charger BUT the Bedini system does it with only a minuscule amount of comparative energy. Also batteries I could not charge with a normal charger I can easily charge with the Bedini SG and the gravity reads the same as when it was new (1.300). It takes time to do this on these heavily sulfated Trojan T105's I am using, but load tests and gravity reading show that it is an effective charge. So something about the very fast high voltage spikes does something to the battery, but does not appear to damage them. In fact they appear every bit as good as they were new. I have not tested the two battery setup to see if both batteries end up with higher energy than they started with but I will do that soon after I finish testing the Carbon generator I am working on.

Groundloops charger circuit does this just as good though and I have recovered another 4 of these Trojan T105's using his circuit and his does it faster. I will try adding more coils to the SG and see if that speeds things up, but I will use Groundloops circuit for recovering batteries for the time being.

[alan]

PMM:

Post some pics of an experiment or else go back to your armchair.

Eh, he is right, he seems to be educated in the field. Without the points he mentions, it is just playing and speculating. A good testplan is important, _if_ you want to proof something.

still, good luck

[Creativity]

Eh, he is right, he seems to be educated in the field. Without the points he mentions, it is just playing and speculating. A good testplan is important, _if_ you want to proof something.

still, good luck

i agree also,the test plan should be made and executed with right tools.I guess all of people working here on solid state machines will admit also,that  any productive measurement of the spikes and what it brings, should be done on an osciloscope and not on any multimeter what so ever.Multimeters are designed to work either with DC or sin wave, NOT with spikes.Besides if they are digital they have a discrete sampling time and as it was said here a spike has a big chance of being faulty digitalised...I studied computer networking recently and we had tonnes of signal processing math to deal with...Use the right tools that are designed to perform tests u r making,no discussion on that.

One of u mentioned PDA battery that was flat and then could run longer than before.It is a convincing proof of extended capacity(if usage of the PDA was as it was before).And yet of an extended capacity when comparing to a nearly dead battery.So not comparing to a new battery capacity,that might possibly drop if used in Bendini charger or may possibly increase.Agree?