Feynman makes a Bedini Motor

[willitwork]

nice twist


still waiting on that charge monitoring circuit diagram...
still waiting on the motor specs...
still waiting on the battery count and weight...
still waiting on the roller specs...

The testing method proposed in my earlier post will work perfectly:

Assume we are using 12 volt batteries, assume the batteries are the same type and age, assume the batteries are near the same temperature each time you do the test.

Fully charge both batteries and wire them in parallel.
Clip a 10 - 15 watt bulb across the pair and measure the voltage.
You will need two identical lamps, we will use the second one later.
Note how long the bulb will stay lit before the voltage drops to 10 volts.
Repeat the action 3 or 4 times and average your results.
Do the same with one cell at a time.

Be patient, we are talking about several charge and discharge cycles, it will be worth it.

Document discharge times for each cell with the same bulb.

Depending on the load curve, internal battery heat, cell fatigue and comparative cell quality, the discharge time of one cell should be about half that of two strapped together.

For this example, lets assume that the two strapped together batteries give two hours of light before they drop to 10 volts and each cell on its own gives one hour of light before it drops to 10 volts.


Recharge both batteries.

Connect to Bedini motor
Connect one lightbulb to each battery.
Start your Bedini motor.
You can start the Bedini motor first if you want.


If the system is operating over unity the total 'on time' before 10 volts should be greater while the Bedini motor is running than otherwise. In other words the two lights should stay on together for more than one hour.

My Prediction:

The Bedini draws current and each lamp draws current resulting in less light time than if you just charged the batteries and put a light on each one. The 'charging battery' will run down first as it has to power the light bulb and the Bedini.

In other words: no OU, no gain from an internal lead acid resonance just an innefficent pulse charger. Easy test, easy to demonstrate.

Another possible test - almost no cost.

Load the source battery with a resistive load, run it down and swap it with the target battery. Don't load the target battery in the event that the load upsets the tank circuit. (Just in case the lead acid battery resonance is not fiction)

General Question:

Can you point to any Bedini test that actually loads any of the batteries with any sort of substantial load?

[WilbyInebriated]

none of what you said addresses what i said... 
do you have utilitarians charge monitoring circuit? or the motor specs? or the battery count and weight or the roller specs? my comments were not directed towards "your" method. see below for those...

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Easy test, easy to demonstrate.
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well, get on it then. why are you talking about it if it's so easy? do it.
acta non verba

and who cares about a substantial load anyways, according to you a small light bulb is sufficient to "bust" it or not, what difference would a "substantial load" make? i am interested to hear your "prediction" on this.

[willitwork]

I'm not the guy saying that power gain can be had with a Bedini. I flat out don't believe it. My tests with Bedini style pulse motors were more than enough to convince me. Motor ran fine - measured and watched - measured more and watched - tuned and retuned. Desperately wanting to believe.

I am proposing the simplest form of test that would put the discussion to rest with ease.

[WilbyInebriated]

I'm not the guy saying that power gain can be had with a Bedini. I flat out don't believe it. My tests with Bedini style pulse motors were more than enough to convince me. Motor ran fine - measured and watched - measured more and watched - tuned and retuned. Desperately wanting to believe.

I am proposing the simplest form of test that would put the discussion to rest with ease.

neither is feynman... so why are you talking heads filling up his thread with your crap?
then test it with YOUR bedini...
and who cares about a substantial load anyways, according to you a small light bulb is sufficient to "bust" it or not, what difference would a "substantial load" make? i am interested to hear your "prediction" on this.

[esaruoho]

Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable ranges. This is the nature of spin resonance connection. For lead acid the resonant connection occurs with a specific set of harmonics somewhere in the 3.5 mHz range. The motor or exciter side of the circuit generates multiple wave forms and the resonant connection is an intermodulation harmonic response. If you built a successful replication, and there have been many, based on a particular size and type of lead acid battery, substituting a different size or type would require retuning the exciter circuit to find resonance again. There is no one magic set point, for any individual device a successful tuning is going to be specific to the physical geometry and electrical characteristics that particular device.

Magnerazz, i really appreciated your writings to this thread. i think it opened up quite a bit. thank you also for the PDF-link, i've tried to send it to a few people to see what they think, and hopefully this'll result in something. i take it you've seen  energy from the vacuum part 2?
i really hope you'll continue posting these tidbits of info and your own musings on the bedini technology, as, well, nobody else will!