Science contradicts itself..Questions

[rangerover444]

The growing demand for new type of energy and the playful thought of antigravity,
produced a new generation of researchers that try to break a part from the ?knows-all?
modern science. These are the trends of today in the science world. On one hand
science keep advancing, inventing and bring proofs that justified it?s existence. On the
other hand the new generation knows in it?s bones, that it?s time to say the truth (that
does not mean anyone found it yet), though whoever is in the "industry", can feel the
?preliminary waves? vibrating already.

?The Theory of Everything? or in scientific language TTOE, are germinating like
mushrooms after the rain and wherever modern science was not able to ?stretched
the blanket wide enough? we can spot many of them around and more to come?

We live with other 7 billion people very much like ourselves. Though it is impossible
to grasp such a number in terms of yourself x 7 billions. We maybe heading all kind of
crises never seen before, like food, energy or natural ones. In a way science is involved
in preventing those crises actively by programming vegetables and food in general, or
facing the next asteroid to hit earth, free energy and many other fields.

Even science cannot resolve our human relations?(let a lone politics) and crises
to come is only part of the story. In fact, the next generations to live here on earth, will
have to deal with today?s consequences. And we as a responsible adults have to stretched
our thoughts to welcome these babies not yet born.

Whether Black Holes exists or Red-Shift is false is important to know, but as an answer
to a global crises - it have no meaning, so it?s importance. Maybe restorations of our small
planet is a safe way to go and everything that can serve this purpose is beneficial (including
knowing of the universe we live among).

Technical solutions for energy crises, land & borders, comforting life in million ways,
new discoveries, etc. - are all temporary and more then that - deceiving.  The human physic
is where the territory of the real down to earth solutions lies.   In a sense Money become God,
and whoever cannot make much - does not deserve to live (or live in measurability).  So looking
for these solution is definitely looking in the wrong direction.

Blaming our corrupted politicians or conspirators are also become part of the past. Not that
it?s not true - but it does not help blaming someone else, it?s time to do something or to think
in a different way that will include our next generations, regardless whom they will be belong
to and whether their parents are our friend and enemies.

Realistically, we have to think 50, 200 or even 4,000 years a head. Even though it may not
match the events to come as we think, but at least it will stretch our responsibility and broader
view, over our contemporary issues. It?s similar to the narrow thought that human is the sole
intelligent being among trillion of galaxies (even before we encounter another inelegance race).
boarding our minds over our temporary existence, while restoring our little planets, can set the
bar for the new science.

Looking beyond the coming oil crises or the recent wars and conflicts will serve much better
purpose and may put in perspective our contemporary status.

Cheers

[rangerover444]

Sorry to change the subject and bring up Geology matter.  I suspect some
phenomena?s in geology have strong ties with magnetism and gravity and
beside that since this thread is about science contradicting itself, I think when
it comes to geology - it?s not about contradicting, but missing the target completely?

When I was young we use to bike a few miles through the fields to a place we
called ?triangulars valley?, so much why ? Since it was like a small canyon inside
a flat plateau that all the ridges and creeks that came down were triangulars. You can see
these formations in their millions around the globe, between mountains, rivers even small
hills have these triangular shape.

Recently when I?m driving in a terrain area, where the natural hills were cut for the
road to pass, I observe a pattern of uplifting layers of soil and rocks, depending on
how the hill was sliced. If you can imagine a flat plateau and then a force from underneath
start to push up, then the layers are tilting in such a way that on one side you can see
the curving up layers (which the top layer become part of the top of the hill) and on the
other side of the hill you can see the sharp cut where most of the uplift occurred.
And that create a triangular shape, of course this is a 2D explanation, since in reality
this uplift or the force from below, can stretched several hundred meters or hundreds
of kilometers. And when it occurs it creates ?sub uplifts? which we called ridges & creeks,
that going down the hill or mountain.



The interesting thing is that they all exhibit a triangular shape (give or take), almost
From every angle you look at them. And all these formations have this angled layers of
rocks (if you slice them in the right place).

These are actually very delicate formations, that the Plate Tectonic theory cannot be
accounted for (it?s like pulling out a thorn w/ a boxing glove?). The plates according
to geologists creates huge sections of the earth and by sliding aside (when there is no
evidence of a sideway force that can push a whole plate as one chunk).
But even if it was the case, how a hill 1,000 Km inside the plate could be affected by
the adjacent plate ?collision? ? How these delicate triangular ridges, creeks, mountains
canyons and small hills could be made ?

What pushes them up or pulling them down, that can creates such a fine texture ?
What these forces are made of and how they originated ?
Are there any ?mediums? between the original force the lithosphere ?
If these fine imprints that appears on all the rocky planets and creates these triangular
shapes have something in common ? And why triangular and not other shapes ?
And why do they look like a tree or a fern or lightning bolt from above ?

It is obvious to me that something in our geology went wrong, unless I?m missing
something. Maybe someone can advice.

Cheers.

[Charlie_V]

I can't explain that but I know there is a lot they don't know about.  For instance, a few months ago (aka last winter I think) a rift in the ocean opened up a section of earth that exposed the mantle.  The article (which was on yahoo news) said that usually these rifts are filled in with magma/lava (whatever the difference is).  However, for some reason this one did not and apparently the mantle is made of a hard, solid green substance.  They sent an expedition out to investigate it.  I haven't heard anything since.  But the first thing I thought of was perhaps the green substance was copper oxide or at least a form of metal. 

They are currently doing research at some university where they have a 10ft metal ball with a smaller ball inside filled with molten sodium.  They spin the balls (one against the other) in order to simulate the earths magnetic field (which in their experiment is generated by the circulating sodium, which is an ion - moving charge produces a magnetic field).  However, if the mantle is made of a solid substance - possibly a metal - then they are doing the experiment wrong aren't they?  Why do geologists insist the earth's magnetic field comes from the earth?  For one, the field changes direction, which a spinning object with moving charge would not exhibit unless the spin changed direction.  Why is it so outrageous that the field is induced (like an eddy current) by an outside source (like the sun or perhaps a larger, slower source like the galaxy center)?  If the mantle is a giant hunk of metal, it would definitely react to outside changing magnetic fields just like an induction motor.  Perhaps the gyration of the earth is not just powered by gravity but by a cosmic induction motor process?

[rangerover444]

Einstein for instance viewed gravity as a result of masses influencing one another,
which is partially true, but unfinished, since he left several open questions :
How this force forming within the mass in the first place ?
What this mechanism looks like and who are the players ?
Why this force is not made from the same building blocks of the atoms it attract or repel ?
Einstein was not the first or the last to fail to start with the right players. It?s the accepted
scientific system of exploration which in error. It?s flagship of observations, tests,
calculations and conclusions - must use accepted scientific terminology in order to explain
the results. As radical as they maybe, still it have the limitation of communicating the
community in order to be accepted. But what if the most basic particles or energy were
never found ? Or found but not considered basic enough to be the fundamental building blocks,
but just another region of nature.

Then the only ?way out? is to chase the isolated natural phenomenas by keep trying to tie them
together while on the other hand ?discover? newborn solitary ones. This close circle (circus) fate,
is to go forever without reaching anywhere? The irony, is that does not prevent technology to
keep advancing, which means being advance, you don?t necessarily have to understand nature?

These are some scientific discoveries that strongly suspicious of being one and the same,
under different conditions and different combinations :
1. The four fundamental forces : The strong nuclear force. The weak nuclear force.
The electromagnetic force. The gravitational force.
2. The atom structure : protons, electrons, neutron, quarks, gluons, bosons (and more will be found).
3. Waves : UV, Micro, Beta, Gamma, Alpha, X-ray, radio, sound, light (which is a bit different),
Infrared, Electricity, Ultraviolet, etc.
4. States of matter : solid, liquid, gaseous, plasma.
5. Matter & energy.
And more.

Nature is about constant transformations, taking matter into it?s basic elements and build it again.
To accomplished that, not many fundamentals are needed - eventhough it wear many faces?

My point is not find new ?Theory of Everything?, but go back in time from observations
to conclusions, not based on accepted theories, models and terminology, but literally from scratch.
Some courage needed here.

Cheers

[Koen1]

a few months ago (aka last winter I think) a rift in the ocean opened up a section of earth that exposed the mantle.  The article (which was on yahoo news) said that usually these rifts are filled in with magma/lava (whatever the difference is).  However, for some reason this one did not and apparently the mantle is made of a hard, solid green substance.  They sent an expedition out to investigate it.  I haven't heard anything since. 

I haven't heard anything about a rift opening up and eposing a green solid... Do you have a link perhaps?