Science contradicts itself..Questions

[rangerover444]

The Electron Hoax

One of the absurd about electrons being actually N & S magnets, is that
if you take the magnetic model as the building block of matter, waves and
electricity and you say ?This is a crazy impossible model, but let?s give it
a chance and see what happen? (there is no risk saying that to yourself).
Then some "never asked" questions (tested and explained by others, then you),
may start to make sense :
1. Why positive attract negative ?
2. Why wherever there is electricity - there are magnetic fields ? 
     And not the other way around ?
3. Why magnets have natural orbiting features (one stream against another
     like in a bar magnet or earth) and for the electron does not have any
     reason to orbit ?
4. Why start with one particles, instead of two that can create many more
     phenomenas then one ?
5. If the atom made of orbiting electrons and the orbit break (in a battery),
     you can easily detect two currents coming out, one from each terminal (with a
     simple compass) ?
6. Assuming that magnets orbiting the atom and connected by magnetic
     field to form matter, that may explain the ?missing link of gravity? of
     how magnets attract matter ? And how the sun attract earth (by magnetic
     field) ?
7. Maybe the atom structure reflected in earth structure, which reflected
     in the solar system, which reflected galaxies ?   After all, everything
     have to be belong to each other?or part of it.
8. We already have here, under our nose two particles that : orbit, attract, repel,
     have two poles, very very fast, in unlimited in quantities, run as waves,
     somehow exists anywhere in the universe, so why not start there ?
     Why to force new particle where they don?t belong ?

Maybe we are programmed to think that these question are for Einstein and up,
while 12th grade student, doing simple tests, can give the answer?

Cheers

[rangerover444]

Just a curious thing about Electrons.

  Whenever electron motion described with a certain orientation of motion (or any electric
phenomena), the ?Electromagnetic Tool? comes to aid the ?lost in dark,  electricity? to find it? way.

I just wonder if the electron will get lost one day without the magnets guidness,
what it?s going to do ?

Also, when it comes to motion of electricity (discharge of static electricity, repulsion and
attraction within the atom, orbiting the atom, etc.).  Isn?t it weird that the electron suddenly
have to ?wear a mask? of magnets and imitate it?s  characteristics?

Isn?t weird that the ?Gray Lines? between electricity and magnetism are kept at the same
width for more then a century ?  And we still cannot decide ?

Cheers

[Koen1]

Aaargh.

Well you guys can choose to reject it but the fact remains that
you can rewrite the entire electron story in the form of a purely magnetic
interpretation and vice versa, and both will be equally good as a
model, and neither model will be able to tell us which one is
"the absolute truth".
It's not a matter of them being absolute truths, it's a matter of them being
seemingly true to our limited set of senses and our limited reality.
After all, we know the things we see are not truly how things are.
That's entirely why we must make such abstract models of reality,
to slowly learn what lies behind the appearences of our physical world.

The electron-based model works just fine in most cases that we care to model,
and if you rewrite the thing into a purely magnetic based model it still works exactly the same.

You can call the sun a "magnosphere" for all I care, it does not behave differently.
Similarly, I do not see anything spectacular in the Leedskalnin papers, he has merely
replaced the assumption of an electron with its related spin (magnetism) by the
assumption of two seperate magnetic particles that must always flow in opposition
to have an electrical effect.
All he does is replace the particle called "electron" with its surrounding magnetic field
by two "magnetic" particles. Effectively, if you draw it out, the magnetic field structure
and pattern he discribes is exactly the same as that around the "electron".
The only difference is that Leedskalnin chooses to dismiss the electron and
adopts these two opposite magnet particles as fundamental 'particles', but all of
the effects he discribes are well known electrical effects...
His interpretation does not add anything.
There is zero added value to Leedskalnins observations and assumptions.
Even worse, while he seems to imply that those who believe in electrons are crazy
and there is really no such thing,
he does not at all show why the assumption of two hypothetical particles would
in any way be preferable over the assumption of only one hypothetical particle,
if the rest of the entire model remains identical.
Occams razor says that is not a logical conclusion...

Ed Leedskalnin does not describe anything special. The generator he so proudly
claims to have a patent application for is nothing special. It is a simple generator
much like the so-called "Sundance" generator or "M?ller" generator, where a wheel
rotates coils through a magnetic field.

And what "grey lines" are you talking about?
There are no "grey lines". It's all quite clear.
Charge differences give rise to charge flow, charge flow causes particles to rotate
along at least one axis relative to its motion, rotation causes spin coherence in space,
spin fields influence eachother directly through space without anything having to flow
through that space, and this again can lead to particle flows and charge differences...

Oh, and @Charlie, yes you can make a coil that produces a zero net magnetic field
while current does run through it.
But you are creating spinor/tensor/scalar fields that way. It is doing something,
and doing so by using the spin coupling, it is just not doing it in such a way
that we can measure a classical straightforward magnetic field.
But pull in Maxwells quaternion interpretation of electromagnetism (the crucial
element left out of Maxwells final book when Heaviside edited it) and you will see
how scalar fields and interactions are damn well possible. And they would measure
zero on classical electromagnetic measurement devices.
The "scalar wave transmitter" built by Naudin is a good example that shows
"impossible" effects: the transmitter can transmit a radio signal straight through a
Faraday cage! Typical scalar effect, and typically impossible according to classical
interpretations of electromagnetic theory. (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm)

There is a lot more to electromagnetism than we are taught in school.
But if you do your own research and read up on it, you can work it out
quite easily. Doing your own thought experiments is always a good idea,
and studying "anomalous" or "impossible" results or interpretations can be
very helpfull.

In any case, @Charlie again, I would like to point out that it is usefull
to keep an eye on the spiral movement of energy flows in the case
of the example you gave of the backfolded coil.
(Oh, and I do know quite a bit about electrets as they are related to my
research into crystal cells. By the way. )

[rangerover444]

Koen1,

I bet you did not performed even one of Ed Leedskalnin tests, neither read one of his
four pamphlets thoroughly http://www.leedskalnin.net/writing.htm
How do I know ?   Simple, if you don?t clearly see how magnets runs in a wire, or
understand how magnets orbit a bar magnet (which is very different from how science
describe), at least it should raise some DOUBTS and make you RE-VISIT what you
think you know about electricity and magnets?
Please don?t take it personally, since it?s not about you, but about a concept (electron)
that was mistakenly unidentified by J.J. Thomson and then settled in the mind of a
WHOLE CULTURE. So it?s not only about showing how North & South magnets are
the only responsible for electricity, but it?s a PSYCHOLOGICAL BARRIER. 
And that?s the tough part to deal with.

You look around and see electricity everywhere you look, and then you ask :  Well, if
it works and everyone one calls it electricity (including text-books and science), then
who cares if it?s magnets or electrons ?
I already have a proof that it works and bring results, so what?s the big deal here ?
That?s the psychological barrier I?m talking about.

Now, these are some points that Ed shows in his notes and tests, that contradicted
with what you know :

1. Electricity is not one current, but two currents (streams) that made of  North and
     South individual magnets that runs one against another.

2. One current cannot run by itself since there is nothing to attract it to run from the
     other side. In a battery the Positive terminal is where the North pole individual
     magnets are coming out and the Negative terminal is where the South pole magnets
     are coming out. In order for them to run they need to attract one another.

3. Magnets are MONOPOLES. Each individual magnet (whether it?s North or South)
     have only one pole. So much why ?  Since if they had been Bipolar - they would not
     need their other counterpart. They would just attached to each other - ?tail to nose to tail
     to nose? - and never move anywhere. Never attract, never repel, never orbit, etc.

4. The circulation in a bar magnet is the same as earth.  The North pole magnets are coming
     out of the South pole and around into the North pole, then inside the earth and back to the
     South pole. Same with the South pole magnets - but in the opposite direction. 
     In fact the North pole magnets are going up everywhere in the Southern hemisphere around
     and down into the Northern hemisphere. The South pole magnets are going up in the
     Northern hemisphere and down into the Southern hemisphere.
     - Science claim that magnets are Bipolar that coming out of the Northern pole, and around
        the earth down into the Southern pole and then back through the earth to the
        Northern pole - big mistake !!!

  5. In a generator or dynamo the rotating South and North magnets around the core are actually
      ?pumping? the North and South individual magnets from the air (earth circulation), and
      induces them into the core.  Since the core cannot holds all the incoming magnets, it push
      them into the coil (in bulks).  Since the wires are narrow, the induced bulks become paths that
      divided  into streams of  N / S / N / S.  In order for them to start running they needs a
      resistor in the middle, so they can attract each other.
      - Science tells us that the electrons (that are negative charge) are coming out of the
        positive terminal (which is a weird thing by itself?), then going through the resistor and
        back into the negative terminal. It explain what it's doing but not WHY it's doing it.

   6. In a Zinc / Acid battery, the acid atoms takes apart the Zinc atoms, break their orbit and the
       South and North individual pole magnets are liberating and each one goes to it?s terminal.
       Since all Atoms are made of N & S pole magnets (and the NPM - Neutral Particle of Matter),
       now you can relate Magnets to MATTER, and this is a BIG - DEAL !!!  Because from here
       it is possible to start explain gravity, chemistry, astronomy, biology, geology, etc.

And many more examples that I can give you.

Now, I agree that Ed?s language - is difficult to understand, especially when he describe his
experiments. The tests themselves are very easy to perform, but there are many details that you
have to follow. For instance the test where he magnetized 3 needles. The battery have to be South
of  copper wire, Positive terminal - East, Negative terminal - West. The needles have to be placed
In a certain way across the copper wire. And then you tap on the negative terminal??

So basically you have to do it right, and most people have no patient for that.
Especially if you already made up you mind that you are not going to witness anything different
from what you already know - so why to spend the time and effort ?

You see, it?s not about a ?war against the Electron?. There is no blame, no attack, nothing personal.
It?s all about - if you (Koen1) wants to re-visit what you know, or you are already satisfy and don?t
need more then that?.


Cheers

[Charlie_V]

Science claim that magnets are Bipolar that coming out of the Northern pole, and around
        the earth down into the Southern pole and then back through the earth to the
        Northern pole - big mistake !!!

I have to agree with science here, there is a field traveling in the center of the earth, just like in a bar magnet.  Look at my picture.  Take a cylinder bar magnet and place an aluminum ring around the outside.  Now stand the magnet on its south pole and place it on a bearing so that it rotates about it's axis.  Apply a 9 volt battery to the magnet's axis and to the side of the magnet like the first drawing in the figure.  Now do the same thing but place the terminal on the aluminum ring.  The rotation of the magnet will be different depending on where the terminal is applied to on the side.  This shows that the magnetic field on the inside of the magnet is in the opposite direction than that of the outside.  In the picture, the blue arrows represent the external field, the red arrows represent the internal field. 

Another thing about Ed's theory.  If charge was really magnetic monopoles, then a permanent magnet would repel or attract to a positively charged plate (since the plate would be crawling with magnetic north poles).  This does not happen.  The charge is not a tiny magnet monopole, it is something else.  The two fields only interact when one of them is moving, and the movement has to be at a 90 degree angle.  Ed's theory does not support this, and these are proven experiments you can do easily at home. 

I like Ed, he was a good man and did a lot of great things.  I think parts of his theory have merit, but I don't think his theory can explain everything.