Science contradicts itself..Questions

[GeoscienceStudent]

Koen:

In answer to your long answers to my long post...

"I guess the main problem is the same as it has always been: most people in positions of power are there because they want power, and not because they want
the best for the people. And most people who elect the people in power are too naive to consider that when the time comes to vote. " ...And all the rest..

We are on the same page here.  I agree that the cost of petroleum has lead to us not only using for plastics, but fuel as well.... We do need to apply new renewable resources...I agree with the warming but believe it needs to be dealt with reasonably..and without panic...Yes the leaders seem to be thinking of themselves under false pretenses using emotional arguments instead of reason.  The uninformed voter falls for it. They did with Hitler, too.  And several other comments you made..were dead on..I agree.  I realize that scientists have several views and theories on Global Warming...but my concern, and I concur with the Copenhagen Consensus, is that we should spend the $45 trillion dollars being quoted as the cost to cut emissions in half by 2050 should be used to solve problems we really can tackle, such as food sources for the hungry, and better, cleaner resources that are viable, and medical help and education.  But you know, much money pork barreled for certain sources usually end up in a rich man's pocket and the rest of us have been "had."

As far as our country..and their complaints on petrol prices...(I'm going to include a couple other issues here)...
I've known for years that our petroleum is cheaper, and so is alot of other stuff around here, such as food and clothing.  The average "poor" person here can somehow be collecting welfare, yet still manage to own a tv or two, DVD, VCR, a car, go to the movies, pay $100 to watch some rock star perform, wear GUCCI boots, have their nails and hair done, frequent clubs and restraunts,etc, etc...then complain because of a $5.00 copay on a doctor's office visit.  Gasoline is about $4.09 per gallon around here and only doubled the past year from just above $2.00.  We are pretty lucky but the problem is people are so used to living it up and they also are credit poor.  The average American is like our government...deep in debt.  I shudder to think what would happen if we had another Depression.  There is no gold standard, either so our dollar is basically worthless.  We have way more inports than exports, are leasing road tolls mineral rights, ports and other sources of business to foreign countries, so the control is out of our hands, I've heard some talk about Japan wanting mineral rights to Alaska while our Congress refuses to drill, China drilling off coast of Cuba, Russia arguing over the Arctic Circle with Canada, and of course, outsourcing.  You can't even call a company stationed here about a problem without getting someone in India, then they don't understand you and mess up your account (happened to me recently).  (Our county is leasing the land to an outside [US] State company to drill for natural gas from the shale.  I asked the Surveyor and he said only about 60 people would benefit from the county for the land lease, but it would not bring in economic opportunities to the county...bummer, but that's what happens in some poor countries when companies come in for oil or gold or wood, promising wealth, but they already have their employees so it doesn't help the natives).
I heard a story recently about Rome before its fall long ago (ancient Rome) that just before its collapse, it looked strong to the outsider.  USA appears to be strong, but lives beyond its means.  We are more than 8.12 trillion in debt (I'm sure it's more now) and the average citizen lives beyond their means.  We are trying to solve the problems by Welfare...forget work ethics. Now I remember a few years ago in Denmark that they were having some financial trouble, and the Prime minister (I think) passed something that you had to be in the country (immigrant) for a certain amount of time before obtaining government welfare, or even getting a job.  Really, they needed to do that to preserve their economy. 
America needs to get people back to work to have an economy.  (Don't go by our unemployment rate because that does not include people not collecting or people on welfare, SSI, or living off of someone else.) Money for no work (even when you can) and no developement for trade, then let's take care of the rest of the world by borrowing money from China and giving it to Pakistan, Iraq, etc., does not sound like good investment to me.  Not that I'm against working together as countries, you need that for trade, but there needs to be something of value involved here, not just a piece of paper.  We need to stop being wasteful, with this "I have the right"  attitude and live within our means.  (gambling is becoming a problem here too..they take a loan out, gamble it, lose it, take another loan, or borrow, or get a 2nd mortgage, or take someone else's stuff to the pawn shop, gamble again...lose their entire pay check, and credit cards,, their spouse's card, write false checks... but never go for help because "they don't have a problem.") 
And innovative options that develope a trade need to be produced here instead of just promising us a "chicken in every pot."  Now the idea of every child getting $5000. 00 at birth, that more solar energy would produce more jobs, that changing over to biofuels would solve our dependence on Middle East oil, that everyone having free health care..etc.  All sounds good.  But first of all, a President does not have the power to "make laws."  The Legislature does that.  Second of all, health care is never free.  Taxes pay for it that a person won't personally.
Budgeting training:
And let me tell you, I managed to pay for my son's hospital bill and doctor bill and spouse's surgery by what is known as "budgeting."  And on low income too.  Most people don't seem to know what a "budget" is.  They seem to think you can just blow all your money on pot and alcohol, then sit back and let the government pay for your bills, or claim bankruptcy, while you complain because they did not do enough for you.  Some people seem to be under the misconception that the hospitals all get their equipment for free and nurses and doctors don't need any money to work on.  America was under the misconception that there was plenty of oil and it would just last and last and last, so they take long drives (go cruising) and race around like there's no tomorrow.  That is changing.  A recent report of last month showed a decrease in fuel use.
Now you go to some 3rd world countries and see that they appreciate what help they get because it's not common place.  They don't take it for granted.  But in rich countries, things are taken for granted and we get this attitude like "it's our right."   "It's our right to own and drive a car."  It's our right to free healthcare."  It's our right to free food and a place to live."   Oh really?  So does that mean someone can be FORCED to give it to you even if they don't want to become a doctor, farmer, carpenter, etc.?  Isn't that like slavery?  Don't look at me.  This former nurse QUIT!    And she's not going back. (retraining)
"Take a lesson from the ants..if you don't work you don't eat."
Clinton was correct on his evaluation of our welfare system that people needed to get back to work and off the system.  He suggested a 2-year program to retrain the move people back to the work force.  I know some woman complained they wanted to stay home to take care of their children.  Now nothing against that,  I wish I could too.  But then they watch TV and go the all kinds of nail parlors, etc, don't know where their kid is...maybe grandma is raising it, get the check, show off their diamond rings and hair extensions to the nurse at the office, unable to answer any questions about the child because..."my boyfriend raises him,"  and thus "works" the system.   I'm sure other western civilizations have some of those "con job" problems too.  And of course some really do use the help for their benefit, go to school, and get back to work, even pushing the baby carriage to class with them. (I've done it and seen it).  I saw that Germany makes them look for jobs in order to receive government assistance...at least according to a news report.  Sounds like they're smart and we're stupid.  What do they do in the Netherlands?  Any incentives to go back to work?

Same with other countries... they need to have the education and develop trade for themselves to develop,,, and some are. (Costa Rica and their Ecotourism) But just free charity without a plan to develop a manner of self sustainment is not going to work to solve hunger and poverty.  But I see instances of exploitation that hurts them and takes advantage of their ignorance and lack of power, instead, especially in Africa and South America.  Then of course they end up with a con artist dictator pocketing money leading them, helped into power by western leaders. (Sadaam Hussain was one)

I don't really have much belief in the leadership of our countries.. The people you could depend on, many just don't have the power.  And of course people don't really get informed so they vote for the flim-flam, fly-by-night man who gives a pretty speech. 

Enough of the soap box, and thank you ahead of time for your thoughts and discussions, this has been very insightful to see that people across the ocean actually have some of the same concerns and ideas, (when you really get down to it).  In spite of cultural differences, even.  I appreciate your input, greatly.

Beck

[scotty1]

Hi again...
I use needles on my Wimhurst to test stuff....but Charlie is mostly right....the needles have a hard time finding a solid pole to stick to on the W machine.
One test that does work is if you put glass on top of the electrodes, and then a needle on top of the glass between the electrodes....the needle will turn 90 deg to the spark that crosses the air between the electrodes...the same as the needles do in Rangerover's drawings.
Here is what Ed wrote about static...
" It can be seen by rubbing hard rubber or glass until they get hot, then they will attract sand, iron filings, salt, and other things. To see how it functions, move a salt crystal a little, if it happens to get on a different magnet pole, then it will jump away.

Another way is to rub hard rubber until it gets hot, then it will be a temporary magnet. The difference between the rubber magnet and the steel magnet is that the magnet in the rubber comes from the magnets that hold together the rubber, and both North and South poles are in the same side of the rubber and the magnet poles are small and there are many of them close together, but in the steel bar the attracting magnet is not the magnet that holds together the steel, but the surplus magnets the circulating magnet that was put in it. Attract the iron filings with the rubber magnet, then approach with the steel magnet. Change the poles, then you will see some of the filings jump away. This means the steel magnet changed the magnet poles in the iron filings, and so they jumped away."

Charlie....I can tell you that if you are skilled in that line of experimentation.....quite novel organic thingamabob's can be made that go for days....but i'm not so skilled yet.
In static they say "Familiarity breeds contempt".
Today I'm leaving my family and going to beat hot metal at the Blacksmith's...but i really would rather stay home with the missus..
Scotty.

[GeoscienceStudent]

Another way is to rub hard rubber until it gets hot, then it will be a temporary magnet. The difference between the rubber magnet and the steel magnet is that the magnet in the rubber comes from the magnets that hold together the rubber, and both North and South poles are in the same side of the rubber and the magnet poles are small and there are many of them close together, but in the steel bar the attracting magnet is not the magnet that holds together the steel, but the surplus magnets the circulating magnet that was put in it. Attract the iron filings with the rubber magnet, then approach with the steel magnet. Change the poles, then you will see some of the filings jump away. This means the steel magnet changed the magnet poles in the iron filings, and so they jumped away."

Scotty1:

Rubber?  Is this any particular kind of rubber, I mean can you give me an example of something made by it because you said "hard rubber?"  This is interesting.  I know with some metals you can rub to apply friction and get it to work as a magnet, but did not realize it worked with rubber.  This I've got to try.  How much friction needs to be applied?  What's the best way?
Also, does not the "needle" usually point to the South pole?  I know that the so-called North pole of Earth is actually the "magnetic South Pole" and vice versa, but in cartography we just call North...north pole, but I think the Chinese referred to the South and everything cartographic was designed by reference of the "South pole,"  which is really the north pole, so we western cartographers are backwards or upside down, however you want to think of it.

"During the time the electromagnet holds the weight...there is almost no external field.
The North and South pole magnets were DISPLACED in such a way so that they no longer come out of the metal as an external field."

Now isn't this basically creating a "bond?"  Is this like a bond that occurs chemically like Van der Waals or ionic bonds, but in a different level?

beck

[rangerover444]

Beck,

This is a regular rubber (like car tire, or any hard rubber). I believe it should work with
many other matters (iron, etc.), though with rubber there is good friction and what happen
in the micro scale, is that you break atoms orbits, and that release the magnets which creates
temporary poles. The poles (circulating magnets) since they are crowded together creates what
called ?static electricity? (which as you know can attract hair, salt and other objects).

Though I?m not sure exactly how it works, I understand that Ed wanted to demonstrates gravity
on a micro scale. He say the Gravity is when N & S pole magnets are running side by side (this
is the only way that they don?t attract each other) in the same direction, and since in each atom
there are both N & S magnets - this flow attract everything a head of it.

Though more study is required here.

You are right about the earth North pole, since our compass pointing in this direction (though it?s
a bit off), it?s because South pole magnets streams are coming out of the North pole, on their way
around earth into the South pole.  And the same with the compass needle that point South.
That's why the compass needles are attracting to thier opposites poles.
Look at the drawing towards the end of 2nd page of this thread.

Around the PMH there is a weak magnetic field when the keeper is on, since there is all
the time exchange with earth magnetic field and the PMH.

I think that every object that made of atoms that made of orbiting magnets, have a bond
with earth magnetic field, however further study and testing is required here.


Cheers

[Koen1]

Tom Bearden used a closed path.
On Tom's site he shows Gabriel Kron (i think).....He made a true neg resistor...and he mentioned that the secret was to have both open and closed path's simultaneously.

I happen to have studied what material I could find on Kron, and the related paths of investigation walked by Gray.
Bearden indeed does claim that Kron at some point discovered how to make an actual negative resistor, but that all seems
to come down to a few odd statements Kron made, and that seems to be all the evidence for that idea...
The most important quote there as I recall was something like "Since very fey true negative resistors exist for use in
the Network Analyser, we use a second circuit, where the capacitances are replaced by inductances, and the inductances
by capacitances, at a fixed frequency.". Bearden seems to find this proof in itself, and I do agree that the first part of
the sentence does seem to suggest a negative resistor was indeed developed, but of course it is not proof in itself.
What I find very interesting is this "second circuit" he talks about. He clearly says that they could not use negative
resistors in the NA, but instead they opted for a second circuit. What did they use this citcuit for? Well, obviously
they were trying to build a negative resistor in order to make the device a self-runner. Instead of using actual negative
resistors, they used this second circuit to achieve as close to that effect as they could. In other words: using this second
circuit somehow made the energy consumption of the entire device much lower.
And in that respect indeed Kron mentions his concept of "the open path", in contrast to the normal "closed path" which
current needs to run. From other notes and documents by Kron it is clear he was in the first place a normal electrical
engineer so obviously his "open path" did not mean there was no "closed circuit" for the current to travel. Instead his idea
was that current as we know it experiences loss because it in fact consists of two components that flow oppositely
and obstruct eachothers flow. So insted of one "closed path" where these flows are forced to flow oppositely through the
entire circuit, he came up with what he called "open path" which was basically seperating the two components and
allowing them to flow along their own seperate paths, thus eliminating their losses.
The way he describes these flows and the circuits suitable and/or used for the conduction of the "negative current" flow
is suspiciously similar to the descriptions of mr. Gray's "cold current" and related ideas.
From the descriptions of the circuits it also seems a large part of the Bedini motor circuits is similar to this basic method.
What it seems to come down to is that apparently a high potential spike can flow through certain inductive parts of a circuit
as the "negative energy" pulse or "current", which can be the opponent flow to the normal current...
I have not worked this out completely yet, but it looks to me like those three inventors were either using eachothers ideas,
or have come up with similar ways to do the same thing using the same ideas.