Science contradicts itself..Questions

[Charlie_V]

I think the fact that you can keep a magnetic field looped and then release it years latter (without much deterioration) is something rather overlooked in modern science - this is well defined with present theories but just isn't used in this way - that I know of.  However, people in physics will tell you that the energy used to power the light bulb when you remove the keeper is not coming from the magnetic field that is being released, it is coming from the energy you exert to pull the keeper apart.  I'm not sure I agree with the modern view of how this works, but it is hard to disprove. 

The faster you pull the keeper off, the brighter the light bulb will be.  The slower you remove the keeper, the dimmer it will be.  If you remove the keeper slow enough, the light bulb will never turn on.  Thus, physics will tell us that it is the energy YOU are putting into removing the keeper that determines how much energy is produced.  If you guys could show that removing the keeper very slowly powered the light bulb just as much as removing it fast, then you would have proof that the energy in the magnetic field is producing the power not the keeper remover.

[rangerover444]

Ed?s logic is like that :
If magnets are responsible for electricity (by a generator that induced A/C with
two rotating N & S magnets), so two opposing magnetic currents are running from
both ends one against another in right hand whirling motion - this is electricity.
If in a battery the acid dissolve the zinc and two currents (magnetic) are coming out
of the two terminals, that means that the zinc atoms (which eventually dissolved
completely and disappeared) - where made of the N & S magnets. If atoms are made
of magnets, then the whole physical universe is made of them.

The logic with waves and light, is similar : once you figured out that electricity is
magnetcity, and radio waves, radar, sound, UV, IR and other waves that made by
electricity - are actually made of magnets. About radioactive radiation he claim that
these matters, spent much time close to the center of earth and by that absorbed too
much magnetic doses, and when they are on the surface, they release the excess
magnets in order to become normal again.

This is why his tests revolve mainly about electricity and what is actually it is.
Now, look at these tests again http://www.leedskalnin.net/test-7.htm  and
http://www.leedskalnin.net/test-6.htm .  The running currents magnetized the
fishing wire pieces (call them needles for now), exactly mirroring their motion
Inside the wire. In other words the positive current (which made of North pole
magnets) is going from right to left and throwing the mags across the wire
ONLY IN ONE WAY to the conductor (the needles).

Now Koen, you mention all the time ?so where is the anomaly ??  Well the anomaly
is if the positive (N magnets) will magnetized the conductors exactly the opposite
way from these tests. If you can create such a setting that will do that - then you have
your anomaly, but I don?t think you can do that?(prove me wrong).

Or let me ask you the question :  say someone will tell you that positive runs against
negative in opposite direction in whirling right hand motion - What you (Koen) will
set up as a test to test to approve or disapprove that ?  Are you going to use magnets
in this test setting ?  And if yes or no, please explain.

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Charley_V, thanks for the insight on the PMH http://www.leedskalnin.net/test-4.htm .
First let me crearify a few things :
1. The PMH (and the keeper) must be made of soft iron, since it cannot hold magnets
     and it cannot become permanent magnet by itself. It can become electromagnet as
     long as there is induction (from a coil) but once the current is shut off, it cannot
     hold magnetism.
2. Hard steel is a different story. Once you magnetize it either w/ a permanent magnet
     or electromagnet - it will become permanent magnet (since the N & S magnets ?dams
     up? at the ends, since they cannot run so fast as they run in soft iron, so they get?s in
     (from their own circulation around the piece of steel), faster then they can get out,
     therefore they are ?trapped? in the piece of steel. They cannot pass too fast, since the
     atoms of the hard steel are packed close to each other.
3. The nice thing about the PMH, is that it?s made of soft steel which cannot become
     permanent magnet unless the keeper is on.  Then it?s a magnet, and when you break
     the orbit by raising the keeper, some of the magnets go back to the coil and make the
     light in the bulb. In simple words - magnetic ?energy? become ?electric?
     energy - black on white.
4. According to science, the PMH not supposed to hold electricity in the first place.
5. If you are using hard steel PMH, then you can remove and reattach the keeper as
     many times as you want and whenever you do one of the two - you get light.  And
     the faster you do that, the more voltage output you get (but that?s not what Ed
     wanted to show w/ the PMH).
6. There is also an interesting test with magnetic needles hanging above the PMH, to
     show the direction of each flow of magnetic currents inside the PMH.

Looking forward to hear your response.

Cheers.

[Charlie_V]

According to science, the PMH not supposed to hold electricity in the first place.

That isn't true.  Science will tell you it will hold the magnetic field as long as the magnetic loop path is closed.  It doesn't matter whether it is hard steel or soft, as long as the loop is closed the flux will flow in the loop indefinitely.  The difference is that hard steel can be permanently magnetized, when you remove the keeper, it will stay magnetized (you will also see the light bulb turn on when you do this).  With the permanent magnet case, you can continue to place and remove the keeper and the light bulb will turn on and off every time you do that.  This is because you are changing the inductance of the coils when you remove the keeper, a change in inductance will produce a change in flux which equals electricity (look up synchronous reluctance motor - these work on a similar principle). 

With the soft iron, it will only work once since breaking the flux path allows the domains of the iron to randomize once the loop is broken.  I suppose this is because the the material has no way of maintaining the field without an external source or a closed loop.  It can maintain things in a loop but once the loop is broken, the field is no longer self supporting and the domains re-randomize.  I find this very interesting and perhaps overlooked.  But I wouldn't say that science does not explain this because it does.  People have built motors on this principle - the principle of inductance change, which is all removing the keeper is accomplishing.  If you wanted to make a generator out of Ed's PMH, I'd stick with permanent magnets which will not lose their flux when the keeper is removed.

[rangerover444]

If science can explain the PMH, then where is the law of energy conservation
will fit in ?  This is a perpetum mobila - which is unacceptable by science.
Even if they think electrons are traveling inside, then electrons have a mass ?
Yes it does = 9.109 382 15(45) x 10-31 kg. So why this mass never stop orbiting
the PMH ?    Never slowing down ?  If it moves between the iron atoms, then
there it should create friction and slow down, even if it takes several spins.

Another point is, when you induce electricity into a wire, according to science
the streams of electrons moves forward because it is pushed from behind by
pressure.  But here inside the PMH once you disconnect the coils - there should
not be any pressure from behind, so what can convinced the electron to move
forward ?

Doesn?t it sound more ?down to nature? that two attracting particles are running
in streams, one against another ?  THEY WILL ALWAYS POSSES THE
INHERENTED MAGNETIC FORCE WITHIN THEMSELVES.

Charlie_V said :
? That isn't true. Science will tell you it will hold the magnetic field as long as the magnetic loop path is closed. It doesn't matter whether it is hard steel or soft, as long as the loop is closed the flux will flow in the loop indefinitely?

- Did you mean it will hold magnetic field or electricity ?
- If you meant magnetic field, so what science will say when the keeper was raised and
   all (or much of) the magnetic field tuned to electricity ?

I understand that you don?t try to represent science, but an open mind approach.
What I?m after, is showing that no matter how you look at electricity and electron,
it cannot go that far, and cannot ?exists? without magnets (though magnets can exists
without electrons?).  The greatest absurd for me, is watching science straggling
really hard and make all kind of manipulations and flip-flops in the air, in order
to keep the electron alive?.  But I hope time will tell?.

Correct me if I?m wrong, but as much as I know, science cannot explain it.

Cheers.

[Charlie_V]

If science can explain the PMH, then where is the law of energy conservation
will fit in ?  This is a perpetum mobila - which is unacceptable by science.

The law of conservation of energy fits into the part that the magnetic field inside the PMH does not do any work.  The work, energy, you put into the holder happens when you pull the keeper off.  Your pulling the keeper off changes the inductance of the PMH, which changes the amount of flux flowing through the core, which induces a voltage in the coil.  Science tells us that the magnetic field inside the core HAS NO POWER.  Thus it can flow continuously forever, through things, without losses.  I do not fully agree with the magnetic field having no power, I think this is wrong myself, but I'm just telling you what the books say. 

As for electrons, there are no electrons orbiting inside the PMH, only magnetic flux.  Electron orbiting would be current, and there is no current flow in your PMH.  The electrons of the iron atoms are revolving around the atom (like the earth) with a spin that is in unison with the collective bunch, this is how magnetism is explained in materials - quantum spin, look it up.  Again I don't fully agree with these concepts but that is what is out there. 

Another point is, when you induce electricity into a wire, according to science
the streams of electrons moves forward because it is pushed from behind by
pressure.  But here inside the PMH once you disconnect the coils - there should
not be any pressure from behind, so what can convinced the electron to move
forward ?

I'm not sure what your talking about here.  The pressure your referring to is voltage.  If the coil is on the PMH, then when you remove the keeper it will produce a voltage across the coils.  However, because the coils are not loaded, no current will flow.  If you connect a load (like a light bulb) to the coils, then when you remove the keeper the same voltage will be produced but there is now a place for the current to flow, and it will flow through the light bulb.  So, the voltage will be converted into current.  If you are talking about after you energize the coils with the battery, then there is no more current flowing in the coils once the battery is removed, however, the magnetic field is self supported by the iron core and it stays.  The only way current can again flow through the coils is if you change the magnetic field inside the core - which is what you do when you remove the keeper - or connect the battery to the coils again. 

The PMH does not have "electricity", it has a magnetic field.  And if you change that magnetic field you will make "electricity".  Voltage = (number of coil turns)x(cross-sectional area of the coil)x(change in magnetic field)/(change in time)

The only thing that makes electricity is the change in magnetic field!  By removing the keeper, you are making this change so you are getting electricity.  After you remove the battery, the flux from the coils is stored in the iron.  The flux does not change, it remains constant.  Thus, no electricity is produced until you change it - by removing the keeper.  Have I mentioned yet that you need to change the magnetic field of the PMH to produce electricity?