Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

RONIN i get that part  Chet  its a 5-1 but it is not balanced

[purepower]

@ronin and ramset

Thanks for the support ronin! And yes, what I am saying is that though it may be 5:1 in length it is not 5:1 in lift due to the imbalance.

And in regards to setting the wheel at 12 and releasing it, it would not be able to cycle past. In a perfect world, it would be able to raise up back to where it started and theoretically cycle through. But once we introduce friction, it wont ever get back up to as high as it started.

-PurePower


PS If you would like a demonstration for this or for anything I have stated, or for any other random thoughts you may have, just ask!

[Rusty_Springs]

Pure power I understand this is NOT Archers lever    distance yes   balance no  Archers claim of 20-1 on a 5-1 is on an unbalanced lever   Im really having a problem here   he got the 20 units to  the top  with 1 unit in  on a non changing always the same unbalanced lever  no extra bells and whistles 2 weights 1 solid unchanging arm on a suspended pivot  stage one of his concept    some people would say[me] there is a lot of weight up there at a small investment what is he going to do next? Chet

Hi Chet
I pointed out it an illution it looks like theres alot of weight but once the beam weight is taken into account everything is the same both sides short and long are the same weight, it becomes unbalanced when the 1k is put on the long end then it moves but its lifting nothing in real terms its just dropping if you put that 1k on the short end after the 20ks the short end will drop not the long end and your still lifting nothing, I can't explan it in words but I don't even think you can get a 5:1 ratio because as I said once you put the weight on to balance the beam you only need 1gram to move the lever on one side and your lift nothing in real terms on the other.
Like with the ruler it will always be the same weight but you can make it fall at one end by changing the center of gravity or pivit point so your making one end in a sence heavier then the other but the weight of the ruler is always the same so in a real sence nothing is being lifted gravity is just pushing more on one side then the other, nothing is being lifted gravity is just pushing one end down.
You add weight to the short end nothing happens until the short end equals the long end once you get to the point the weight at both ends are the same and the system is balanced once you put 1 gram on ever end then its unbalanced and gravity pushs that end down nothing is being lifted, it will always be this way nothing is ever being lifted, one end is dropping so there can never be a ratio of even 5:1, if Archer weighed both ends of his beam on each side of the pivit point with his 20ks on the short side he will find that both weights are the same its balanced it becomes unbalanced and heavier at one end when he puts the 1k on the long end so that end is pushed down by gravity nothing is lifted because besides that one k the other ends weight is the same as I have said its an illution in real terms no weight is being lifted.
Take Care All
Graham   

[ronin]

cool chet sorry, just wanted to make sure I understood since you keep referencing 5:1 lifting 20:1.... all good

@purepower.. thanks for clarifying further.. even if I can't get your name straight.

[libra_spirit]

purepower,

Thanks for the considerable efforts and diagrams. It is much appreciated.

If I have this correct now, then if I construct a yard stick balance that is perfectly balanced around the center fulcrum axle, I can expect to have two equal weights be able to sit at any angle I place them at. The power I am observing on my balance is because my two weights center of balance lie somewhere either over or below a line intersecting the center axle. With this unique situation my mystery force should dissappear.

To prove this in reality with substantial weights will take considerable effort in accuracy, but maybe I can simply approach it and see if the power present decreases or does not decrease as the weights are lowered and raised with respect to the center axle.

So if we designed a balance system for measuring weights, as was used in olden times for paying people and determining the weights of gold, then having the system approach a balanced state along the point of pivot would make it far less accurate, and dropping the weight under more should make it far more accurate. There would be a proper weight balance that would render the scales useless and could sit stationary at any angle! Far out. Now thats magic. LOL!

Dave L