Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I totally agree with both fletcher and power and thanks fletcher for adding more commen sence to the debate.

Power I agree with you about the lever, its a dead issue and I also find no reason to keep it going.

Take Care All
Graham

[Rusty_Springs]

Hello Rusty.
I'm sorry Rusty, but you will have to explain this to me cause I'm just not getting it(musta been that bump on the head today). If I take a lever set at 5:1 put 5 kg on the short end, and 1 kg on the long end, will it lift?
probably not, because of friction at the pivot. but if I move the 1 kg out 1mm then will it lift? sure will.  so now I have a 5.01:1 lever.
a very insignificant change to get the lift that I wanted. agreed?
Ok, so now I take my 1 kg weight off, and the lever drops.  Ok?
then I put the 1 kg back on at the 5.01m point on the lever. it lifts again right?
I can do this over and over for eternity(well, me and future generations of my family) and the lift will alway work, the friction will never make my lever lift less than what I designed it to.
the reason as I see it that friction is not really a factor in the lever is that if I get the lift that I want, the friction is already taken care of. yes it is there, but my very minor change in fulcrum length hadles it with no lose to how high my weight is lifted.

take care Graham
Dirt

Hi Dirt
I could go into why friction will effect it but I'm finding it a waste of time all I can say is you keep believing you have overcome friction and sit there and watch your machine get slower and slower or lower and lower on each cycle.
Take Care Dirt
Graham

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Dirt
I will give you one hint to the answer, find out if friction decreases, stays the same or increases on each cycle and you will find the answer.
Also whats causing the heat biuld up when your system starts running and does that heat biuld up get less the longer the system is running.
Take Care Dirt
Graham

[dirt diggler]

Hi Dirt
I will give you one hint to the answer, find out if friction decreases, stays the same or increases on each cycle and you will find the answer.
Also whats causing the heat biuld up when your system starts running and does that heat biuld up get less the longer the system is running.
Take Care Dirt
Graham

Hi Graham

I think there is something wrong with your calculations, cause I'm POSITIVE that if I keep putting the SAME weight on the SAME spot on the SAME lever it will lift the weight on the other end FOREVER. THATS WHAT LEVERS DO.
You put the weight on, the lever tilts, remove the weight, the lever tilts the other way.
there will be NO significant heat build up on a simple 5:1 lever lifting 5KG. ever.
lift, drop, lift, drop, lift, drop, always the same lift with the same weight.
as much as it freaks me out to say it, I think even PurePower would have to agree with me here

take care Graham
Dirt

[hartiberlin]

Has anybody understood,
how the Egyptian Fulcrum is woprking from the
new descriptions on Archer?s page at:

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage.html

and his new youtube videos at:

http://www.youtube.com/user/newtonsend269

?

Can somebody please post a quick animation, how this
levering should work or
at least 3 or 4 pics, where one can see the weights which
are used and the positions of the fulcrum ?

Where is he adding the 5 Kg and where does it slip off and
what about the water ?
Will it still be in bottles or will it flow down from one tank into the other
or how is this supposed to work ?

Did somebody already understand this all ?

Many thanks.