Roll on the 20th June

[MrKai]

@ Special K

You're taking what we know now "as all and ever shall be".

Would you PLEASE stop putting words into my mouth?

You can't find a better way to do something without doing it 1st usually.

Yes...we agree. I don't recall ever even remotely making another case. I believe in scholarly research. How is that not "doing it" exactly?

And now your spouting Cali gov't environmental policy actions to support that stance.

You are really just too cute (amusing).

WHAT STANCE? What are you babbling about?!

About the earth.


As to your last statement, please revisit the post it referenced and QUOTE IT if you have a reply so that it might be compared with your representation of what I said.

Okidoke:

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The Fallacy of the Tinkerer. It just isn't true, man.

*Usually* breakthru's are made by JUST the people you are disparaging...hardworking EDUCATED techs and scientists that spend countless hours pushing the envelope of what is known.

Somewhere tho in fringeland, people started floating this notion that scientists do NOT CHALLENGE what is known.

That is one of the core principles of science! Why people into "alternative" anything seem to think that researchers DON'T try to discover new things is a mystery to me. It is what they DO.

Some dude puttering about discovering something mindblowing is the *RARE exception* and not the rule; it is a romantic notion, but the facts don't back that up.

Look it up for yourself, virtually every major modern advancement in the last 100 years was made by HIGHLY SKILLED AND HIGHLY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL Doctors/Scientists/Educators in their field.

Anything that wasn't was certainly made scalable and usable by such people.

And believe me, a LOT of folks in the sciences and engineering that have made these breakthru's have taken a much greater beating than Quinn. Much.

Of course some, sadly, have been lost, as they made great discoveries (look at Tesla or Pauling) that were proven and repeatable, only to end up in the "lose" column...and not because they tried and failed, but because they tried and failed *repeatedly* and would not see the folly of their *pointless* tenacity in clinging to notions *proven false* again and again.

The Backyard Brainiac is *of course* possible; in fact, it is a scientific and mathematical certainty that some IDIOT will discover something amazing at some point.

This does NOT mean we shut down universities and make MORE IDIOTS to raise the odds...and it certainly does not mean that THIS idiot AQ is the idiot in question...if you get what I mean.

THAT is what I said.

Now this last thing @ infringer is just sad.

He's just out to build and discover. These are bad things?

He knows there are possibilities he may not know, but he wants to.

Leave the man be, he gets more productive dreaming and building done than I do these days because you are so entertaining to play with.

Have you considered a career in politics?



More importantly, isn't your time worth more than us if all you've said is true?

Why are you still waiting to see if it is?

youwantfrieswiththathaveaniceday.

And AGAIN, you...don't...get...it. You are not learning; you are a hypocrite. Your sig is hypocrisy.

The quote and the question wasn't an attack on his building, discovery or dreaming. It was a question, and a valid one:

An open mind is open to the possibility that what they believe may be folly, a lie.

What if that belief was FE, OU or AQ? Is YOUR mind open enough to accept a challenge to what you "know" is true?

The fact that you DON'T seem to believe this about Research Science, Physics, Science in general or even...me...makes me doubt the sincerity of anyone that tells me, someone that is actually hanging out on an FE board and interacting, skeptically or otherwise, that I am not open to possibilities is patently absurd!

I'm not ON the "ha ha those FE OU boys are k-ra-zeee" Physics Forum...I'm *here*.

I don't think it is healthy to AVOID DIFFERING VIEWS AND OPINIONS.

I will not accept them on faith, I will not assume it is irrational to not defer to experts in certain disciplines and I will not suspend disbelief for a feel-good cause.

Why this still is not apparent to you is just bizarre to me at this point.

*shrug*

-K

[exxcomm0n]

For your viewing pleasure:
Recycling is Bullshit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAuU5JjRyQ&feature=related

I have a feeling it's a community service type of feel good movie following children running to give the garbage man their juice bottles and then following it to a land fill and watching it dump.

Now I'll go watch the film.

I were wrong.

It's a Penn and Teller episode that will pretty much say the same thing.

Now, I respect their insight as magicians, but I don't think it beyond their pocketbooks to be entertainers as well.

Yeah sure, it might be bullshit.
But it will never stop being bullshit until you start asking for less packaging, recycled materials, devices that last longer than 5 years, etc.

...and you ask for it with your dollar.

That's why we're where we're at.

That'll probably be the prime motivator to solve it.

People are actually giving alternative fuels a look these days that would have dismissed it before.
The reason is money.

Remember everyone needs to learn to walk and it's easier if you lay out a candy (money) trail for them to follow to make them want to.

[exxcomm0n]

Would you PLEASE stop putting words into my mouth?

Yes...we agree. I don't recall ever even remotely making another case. I believe in scholarly research. How is that not "doing it" exactly?

WHAT STANCE? What are you babbling about?!

Okidoke:


THAT is what I said.


And AGAIN, you...don't...get...it. You are not learning; you are a hypocrite. Your sig is hypocrisy.

The quote and the question wasn't an attack on his building, discovery or dreaming. It was a question, and a valid one:

An open mind is open to the possibility that what they believe may be folly, a lie.

What if that belief was FE, OU or AQ? Is YOUR mind open enough to accept a challenge to what you "know" is true?

The fact that you DON'T seem to believe this about Research Science, Physics, Science in general or even...me...makes me doubt the sincerity of anyone that tells me, someone that is actually hanging out on an FE board and interacting, skeptically or otherwise, that I am not open to possibilities is patently absurd!

I'm not ON the "ha ha those FE OU boys are k-ra-zeee" Physics Forum...I'm *here*.

I don't think it is healthy to AVOID DIFFERING VIEWS AND OPINIONS.

I will not accept them on faith, I will not assume it is irrational to not defer to experts in certain disciplines and I will not suspend disbelief for a feel-good cause.

Why this still is not apparent to you is just bizarre to me at this point.

*shrug*

-K

I'm too tired to play anymore, any one else want a go?

Nite

[purepower]

@K

I first read about it in Discover Magazine. Credible enough?

Bottom line: trash sucks. Something needs to be done, but that's more a chemical/civil engineering issue. I'll keep working on our power problem.

@Exx

I was out for a day or so and missed/skimmed the siphon bit. Either way, would you mind reposting? Or give a link to where I should start reading...

-PurePower

[MrKai]

@K

I first read about it in Discover Magazine. Credible enough?

Yeah. That qualifies

Bottom line: trash sucks. Something needs to be done, but that's more a chemical/civil engineering issue. I'll keep working on our power problem.

Thank you for that. I feel good knowing that someone is on the team that respects the task and how critical it is to follow the process.

I'll keep working on my kids not being sucked into wasteful consumerism. We all have our own ways of helping

-K