Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I could be wrong but when they talk about equal and opposite reations with magnets they mean with attracting magnet one is pulling the other towards it and the other is pulling in the opposite direction so they both move together going in different directions, with repelling one is pushing the other one and the other is pushing in the opposite direction so they both move away in different directions.
Because they are equal and opposite reaction they push from each other or pull towards each other if they wasn't equal the one would push the other away with out moving its self or one would attract the other in with out moving its self, the only time you get that to happen is if you hold one magnet, now the reaction is in both magnets but one moves and the others reaction can be felt in your hand, you have to react to the magnets reaction by ever pulling back to stop your magnet attracting to the other or push forward to stop your magnet repelling from the other.
Take Care All
Graham

[NerzhDishual]

Hi guys,


About the European wheel (The Aldo Costa's wheel), please consult:
http://nseo.com/aldocosta/ (Pictures and some explanations in English)

 

The French patent is on :
http://freenrg.info/Patents/Gravity/Aldo_Costa_GravM_FR2745857A1.pdf  

Best

[tagor]

About the European wheel (The Aldo Costa's wheel), please consult:

I am in paris and I see it
but it does not work !!

[Craigy]

I have looked at this idea but cannot help being sceptical. Using magnets in this configuration is problematical since the energy gain helping to raise wieghts will be lost when you try and disattach them , well thats how i understand the config.

What does not look particually good is this sort of stuff on the WWW about the inventor

http://www.inventored.org/caution/archer-quinn/

Judge for yourself. Although i would be the first to congratulate him if the thing does work. The plans at this point are very vage. Look forward to see how this pans out..

Craig

[Craigy]

Hi All
Lets stop a myth right now and thats the attraction and repultion of one magnet is different, heres a experiment that will show you that there the same, I made a video if anyone doesn't want to do it there selves anyway here goes first: draw a line on a piece of paper, place a magnet on the line with ever the north or south pole facing you now get another magnet the same shape and strength on the first and slowly move that magnet towards the on you have on the line so they attract to each other at the place they attract put another line, this tells you where the two magnets start attracting to each other, now place your first magnet back on the line and get your other magnet turn it around so it will repel the first magnet and start moving it towards it slowly.
If you move it straight towards the first magnet it should repel it at the line you made for the start of the attraction, keep doing it changing from attract to repel you will find hardly any difference if any between the two starting point, if you see a difference it will be the repel pushing before the line the reason you get this is because you have your magnets comming together  from the side and not straight on, for some strange reason the repel is stronger if you come from the side of two magnets and not straight on if you try the same position with attracting magnet it will do two things first it does something I called in other groups the corner effect where it repels the two attracting magnet when it hits the corner of the flux, once past that corner effect it will not attract until the attracting line.
Do the experiment as much as you like you will never see it attract in before it repels away, like I said straight on and everytime the attract and repel will happen at the same place.
Take Care All
Graham

Oh dear ..look at this from

http://www.dextermag.com/Magnetic-Theory-Design.aspx#16


Why are attraction forces stronger than repelling forces? Shouldn't the magnetic forces be equal and opposite?
Magnets in attraction produce an increasing field strength in the gap between them as they approach, and therefore greater force. The reason is that the effective system permeance coefficient (PC) increases as the magnets get closer. As they approach, more flux lines flow from one magnet to the other, rather than taking a path from North to South pole of the same magnet. This causes them to act increasingly more like a single, longer magnet with a greater load line slope, increasing the value of Bd and decreasing Hd for both magnets. (PC = Bd/Hd)
 
Since flux lines cannot cross each other, the bucking magnetic fields of magnets in repulsion are compressed. Flux density in the radial component of the bucking fields increases in amplitude as the magnets approach each other, and more of their own external field (Bd) is pushed back into the magnets themselves, where it becomes part of the self demagnetizing field (Hd). Since Bd decreases while Hd increases, the PC value decreases as repelling magnets get closer and there is less external field available to create a repelling force. A repelling magnet arrangement can apply intense cross fields where magnetic domains have the least resistance to external influences, so some level of demagnetization may occur, depending on magnet geometry and the coercivity of the material.