Roll on the 20th June

[libra_spirit]

I have not personally decided if this system will work as of yet as to build one, but the physics may be there at this time. "Whenever we look backwards on ignorance it appears as stupid." So Archer please give us a break here OK? You also must have been once in ignorance to OU.
Generating "conflict" is the function of the Greys, for they are the keepers of humans on this small area of the universe.

Addressing some of the current issues:

Impulse power:

We should all by now have realized the effect of pulsing being somehow necessary on OU devices. Within the structure of an impulse at center of compression lies a higher density system bending Newtonian physics towards Einstien physics, and finally towards W Smith physics or sanity. If compression is removed from the opposite side of the rod using attraction then the effect of density may be doubled. This stretching or compression of fields happens at the atomic level and involves the entire volume of space. One of the most common appearing concepts in all the devices is pulsing of some kind, or fast rise time forces being used to create a non linear energy transfer. The opposing magnets would seem to be the center of this in this device. Magnetism is a volume or cubed force as opposed to gravity a squared force.

While "energy in" must equal "energy out" and this is obvious, there are other sources of energy.
As to the physics of a wheel, mass, gravity, and impulse:

If a wheel is light resonant with the nuclear forces it will want to rotate. But an observer will have to be present on only one side to make this effect happen, or a light. [url][http://magnetism.fateback.com/LightTech.htm/url] The crux of my own reasearch and experiment would indicate size does matter a great deal.

Volume to surface area:
A higher volume wheel in motion will have a far higher impulse energy to stop its accellerated motion. The question is not the weight after the motion is stopped, but the energy required to stop the motion instantly or the impulse power. This is due to the energy present in the mass as inertial momentum, not gravity. The nature of the two is different. So if we convert gravity into inertial momentum what changes? Mass is a cube function of the linear distance, and gravity is a square function as is friction. If a I ton wheel is set into rotation by the same input power of a weak accelerating force, over time it will come up to a higher velocity then a lighter wheel. The points of friction are at the bearing and the wind resistance and a function of area or surface, a squared function. The wheels mass is a function of volume.

The bouyancy of boats in water and what happens as we increase the linear dimensions of a boat. Bouyancy is increased by a function of the cube of the linear dimensions, friction of water by a square function. The larger you build a boat the lower the percent of "water line" under the water per weight the boat can carry. The rise in engine power needed to maintain the same velocity drops as the boat gets bigger related to weight in motion as opposed to area of water or "friction surface" which rises slower.

It is cheaper to ship a 100 pound weight across the atlantic using a large cargo ship then a very small boat, in cost of fuel per wieght moved point to point, and this is due to friction of the hull rising at a lower function then volume of the water displaced.

Building the paper or cardboard wheel will not give the same result as building a 1 meter Aluminum or wood wheel, I guarentee, and based on physics we already understand. You will be able to blow on the cardboard wheel to get it to move or to stop, but the large Aluminum or wood wheel responds differently to this impulse. Archers analogy using the coin on the bike tire or car tire is right on the money with respect to impulse energy due to its density.

In many of the cases of OU devices size does matter, as well as materials used. In this case we see only that a larger more massive wheel in motion will have greater impulse capabilities then a lighter one as the energy is stored in a volume rather then a surface. The same weak force over time can place either in motion, but one will have greater impulse generating capability, or density shifting abilities once up to the same velocity. Why did Searl also indicate not to build the device smaller the one meter? Is this another natural constant of nature?

Weight ratio - impulse starting energy:

I tried to show in my last post that a weight ratio of 1/32 will only counter gravity and generate a linear acceleration of wheel velocity or 1 foot per second squared increase, and that a ratio of 1/16 will generate a 4 fold acceleration over this. This is "offset weight" to "balanced weight" ratio, or mass momentum to gravity acceleration ratio, but it will determine the acceleration of the wheel. We all know that "acceleration" over time will cause the wheel velocity to continue to increase if the threshold of friction is overcome. The friction threshold will drop as the velocity raises due to the impulse energy requirement of stopping a spining mass, a cubed function of linear dimensions. There is in fact an initial friction pulse needed to start the wheel into motion, after this is overcome less energy is necessary to keep the wheel in motion or to add to its velocity and higher impulse is needed to stop it. It is this effect that may allow the rods to be thrust upwards at 45 degrees without stopping the wheel as it will probably offer a reverse impulse energy to be overcome.

There is also a case where if the wheel is being offset by a person and will not move, the person can jerk or jump against the the wheel to start its motion after which it will continue to move once started. This indicates the squared to cubed function conversion of gravity to mass momentum may have "potiential" to overcome impulse resitrctions encountered as the wheel rotates as well. Now if we have two people on opposite sides of the wheel jumping using impulses, they both weight the same, will one of them be able to keep the wheel moving against the others reversed impulses? How does timming come into this? Will the first person to pulse win? Will the second pulse stop the wheel and reverse it? Can the two people alter their pulsing to keep the wheel in motion one direction? Will the pulse intensity have an effect? If one person jumps slowly to get his weight off the wheel without overcomming friction and the other comes down as hard as he can at the same instant the other is weightless will the wheel start moving? Will the wheel continue to move and finally bring both to the ground where each can get off. Pulsing is an issue for sure. The platonic forms are natures solution and a wheel with six points, as this one used, will probably be superior to a wheel with only two.

Sattelites:

The question is raised whether sattelites need engines to remain in orbit, or if the engines are there simply for fine manipulation of the communication functions for targeting purposes. Communications birds are 32000 miles out to achieve geostationary positions and this is a special case. They need to remain stationary to the earths surface and so need these engines.

I would look to nature to answer this and consider the next larger fractal, the moon, the sun, the planets, where are the engines?
Do they not maintain their orbits without decay? Nature shows this is achievable, at least for very long time peroids if the mass is large enough. Atoms also show us there is some kind of renewable flow possible to do this on a far smaller scale.

Because gravity is an acceleration and not a linear force, it will still pull the same on an off balanced wheel at 1 RPM as it does on a wheel at 100 RPM. Until we hit the friction barrier, or the output power draw, the wheel will continue to accelerate at some function lower then gravity, as set by the ratio of balanced mass to off balanced mass.

I believe Archer has intuited much of this already and come up with his own verbal models to describe physics, the "meaning" or "feel" for these truths of nature may be lost in the vocabulary or in the communication. Altering the size of things will in fact change how they work.

Progress - unrelated to topic

Progress does not lie in EGO at any time, or in who deserves credit or money, or in the personal emotions of any one persons rants. This is only emotional process, and we all do it at sometime. It lies in locating the physics that will free us from the money system, where reusable products must be continually purchased to maintain life. Comprehension is all we need. Our present primative system demands a constant flow of products and energy. The raw materials are thus wasted as old broken light bulbs are trashed. My garage has a 10 foot celieng. It also has 9 light sockets around where the door opens and covers a 9 by 9 area of the celieng. In order to have workable light in the area, and avoid the flourscent flicker, I am replacing bulbs monthly! This is by design, and I must continue to pay to have light. We are all loosing the raw materials which will run out.

Until all of us, including the engineers who design bulbs to burn out for the big producers, wake up to the bigger impact of this process, it will continue, or it will run out. The choice is no one persons, education and communication are the only way we can alter this. It will be achieved by raw numbers of people awakening to sanity. At the point we have people posting that this is the true ignorance, the present methods will continue, and we are all doomed to lowering the population as raw materials dissapear.

While we in the US see this as a small problem in third world countries it is a life and death situation already, but is the present future of all mankind. At the level of earth we all share the same fate.

Today I see they have finally discovered a way to make LEDs burn out, I bought a large LED bulb that guarentees 50,000 hours of lifetime! I have electronic devices that have leds that have lasted 20 years? I took the new light home stuck it in the garage and can barely see if standing right under it! A very nice light for about 2 feet of my working space, LOL! What would happen if an engineer lied to the buisness and had created a series of light bulbs that would never burn out, and this is easier then creating bulbs that burn out on schedule for sure after x number of hours? Only after a few years down the road big buisness caught this lie! LOL!

Money allows us to deal with our neighbor to obtain goods without needing to deal with thier emotions, which few of us have mastered.
But it also creates a situation where the world is being used up to maintain life. Pretty good for something that is not even physically real except in our own minds. Whether money is paper or is bits in a banks computer, as long as intrest can be charged on any of it, it becomes something unatural. A weight shift from those who have none to those who have all is as constant as the weight shift in the wheel we are studying now. The concept of "intrest" on all money present, assures this perpetual motion of wealth towards the fedral reserve and away from the individual. Perpetual motion is already a reality on the astral level, as no one on earth objects to this insanity of money and intrest on money.

If the financial system colapses in America and only 51 percent of the people decide to keep working to produce, can the society survive or will we all starve? With light bulbs that continue to burn out I can only imagine the kaos when light bulbs are no longer availble.

The present record on OU.com is of concern that as soon as a person reaches comprehension to create an OU device, they are immediatly confronted with the Grays agenda and must face power and control issues. They either dissapear, or they are gone somewhere else confronted with emotional issues of a personal nature.

I am begining to feel that nothing I write will matter unless it moves some to compassion. This is only a game of numbers. In "conflict" of us against ourselves, lies the grays greatest achievement to our failure. In unity we can rise above even this negative force of entrophy to exceed even them. This is the only reason they allow us to progress. Until 51 percent awaken we are all doomed to entrophy.

When one reaches comprehension of what is possible they are faced with a choice, the Grays will show up. The choice is to join the elite or to continue to try pulling mankind upwards. This is detatchment or continunity for mankind. Anyone choosing mankind over the elite is to be honored in my own book, no matter their current emotional state or their rambelings. This is the same wheel we are now studying, and how the entire "mankind" can be finally raised to overunity coinsciousness.

The data produced on Archer that even his name may be a phoney, what does it matter to mankind as a whole fighting with itself? If we do create a device that works will we have this same fate by comming out with it publically? To give up is to assign mankind to destruction, and to try to go public is to bring all the wrath of having to become perfect as Jesus and risk becomming a maryter, to be crusified by the present entrophy society. We need to look at each post for what it produces, both emotionally and mentally. Start reacting mentally and drop the emotional conflicts with others as inner personal process. 90 percent of the verbage would dissapear as all start to reason rather then react. And this probably includes myself also, although I have made considerable progress on this aspect of the research once I became aware of the game. Posts designed to produce "emotion" have a source and a function also. Once we jump into this arena the "clear logic" is gone and the battle ensues of man against man. Being wrong is not a bad thing, it is a path to learning truth. Being right is not an end all for triamph over others. The wheel needs to recieve power to spin up, pulses must not be in opposition, or the wheel stops. Does the wheel need emotion to turn at an OU rate? Does it need a conscious observer? The two slit experiment would indicate these are valid questions for energy.

Dave L
c_s_s_p group

[oak]

Thanks Dave, for your enlightened and excellent post.

[cub3]

(Quote libra-spirit) The data produced on Archer that even his name may be a phoney, what does it matter to mankind as a whole fighting with itself? If we do create a device that works will we have this same fate by comming out with it publically? To give up is to assign mankind to destruction, and to try to go public is to bring all the wrath of having to become perfect as Jesus and risk becomming a maryter, to be crusified by the present entrophy society. We need to look at each post for what it produces, both emotionally and mentally. Start reacting mentally and drop the emotional conflicts with others as inner personal process. 90 percent of the verbage would dissapear as all start to reason rather then react. And this probably includes myself also, although I have made considerable progress on this aspect of the research once I became aware of the game. Posts designed to produce "emotion" have a source and a function also. Once we jump into this arena the "clear logic" is gone and the battle ensues of man against man. Being wrong is not a bad thing, it is a path to learning truth. Being right is not an end all for triamph over others. The wheel needs to recieve power to spin up, pulses must not be in opposition, or the wheel stops. Does the wheel need emotion to turn at an OU rate? Does it need a conscious observer? The two slit experiment would indicate these are valid questions for energy.

Dave L
c_s_s_p group

Thanks Dave,

Should be posted @ all threads on OU.

Regards Dennis

[kude]

Suppose a little high tech is applied to the gravity wheel. Take a composite material disk/ wheel with some thickness, and a really good bearing.. We drill holes in the asterisk pattern along a radius at the circumference. We insert an electronic device that moves a weight (that made the wheel move) out or in, so that at the circumference of the wheel, the weight sticks out or is drawn in. We have a battery and figure a way out to wire the energy to the devices such that at 1:00 the weight is moved out and at 7:00 the weight is moved in. If the electronic device is slow we change the timing. We turn on the power to the wheel, what is the behaviour of the wheel? The weights should move to the proper position and we hold our breath.

If it worked we would have to observe and use some math to see if this can be made into a useful device. If you worked out the engineering for the generator you want to run you can decide if its worth building or how it could be scaled.. Maybe we could come up with a controller that helps make it more efficient or changes its rpm.

At any rate I think this reflects somewhat what Quinn wants to do, but this is how I would try to do it if I had a shop, maching tools, material, and an electronic device that could do what I described. Maybe it wouldn't work, but it was fun trying and maybe I have a different idea pop into my head.

[capthook]

Sattelites:

The question is raised whether sattelites need engines to remain in orbit...

...consider the next larger fractal, the moon, the sun, the planets, where are the engines?

Atoms also show us there is some kind of renewable flow possible to do this on a far smaller scale.

Yes.
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Satellite orbits will decay (slow and fall slightly) over time. As a satellite travels for a long time, it goes through space, which is almost but not completely empty. The collective force from millions of tiny collisions with floating matter in space will decrease an orbiting object's speed. This force is very small since the floating matter is usually nothing more than dust and occasional clouds of gas. Overall, the effect of all these tiny forces hitting the satellite will act like drag or resistance on a plane flying in our atmosphere.

If space were a perfect vacuum, meaning there was absolutely nothing in it, we probably wouldn't have to worry about any of this, and stuff would stay in orbit as long as we liked because of inertia. But space isn't a perfect vacuum. Even though that dust and dirt and gas that hits the satellite is very thin and spread out, its effect is like an extremely thin atmosphere. Even though any orbiting object is moving at thousands of miles per hour (speeds which would cause an object to break apart and burn up if it was in the atmosphere being hit by bazillions of air molecules) too few particles are hitting it to cause a significant drag force. However, over long periods of time, the effect of the particles colliding with the orbiting object are significant and slow the ship. For instance, NASA scientists estimate that the space shuttle, about the size of a passenger plane, can stay in orbit for about a month before this force causes it to slow enough that it falls out of its orbit.
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You also have to consider the effects of lunar and solar gravity and solar winds.  As well as varying mass concentrations in the Earth, thermal emissions from the satellite itself and solar flares.

As to the moon - it is not maintaining orbit.  It's orbit is slowly expanding as the gravitational pull of the earth is insufficient in relation to the mass of the moon.  The sun? We orbit it...  The planets?  I can't give you as detailed answer as a satellite around the earth - but the masses, distances, speeds, and elliptical orbits are such that the decay would be extremely small.

As to atoms - that is a question all of science would like to know - as the atom and the electron are not fully understood.  What is an electron and why doesn't its "orbit" decay?  Basic science teaches the electron is a particle.  Quantum physics believes it to be a "wave" of energy.  So basic science would suppose electricity is electrons moving down a wire.  Quantum physics would equate it to billiards and a cue ball imparting its energy to the ball it strikes.
Einstein himself considered this to be one of the most perplexing questions of all...


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