Roll on the 20th June

[fletcher]

Hey Alan .. I can appreciate that you think your demo wheel is just a toy i.e. no useful power to speak of  ... but ...  to this forum any device that achieves OU is almightally important - as long as it can accelerate then it has potential to be scaled & improved - you are suggesting it is OU aren't you ?!

If it's not, then it is probably better described in my mind, not as a toy [with connotations of being useful], but as another example of a good ol' flywheel - I noticed you called it an overbalanced wheel so that would make it more like a long spinning grindstone whose average RPM decreases over time like many other overbalance wheel designs, so it wouldn't be a unique 'toy' in that regard.

[Sprocket]

AB Hammer is on record as saying that he cannot reveal details 'cos he is applying for patents - yep, he's in it for the money!

What bugs me is that he appears out to try and undermine Archer Quinn for some reason.  If one were to guess, he seems pissed that his patents might not prove as valuable if Archer's disclosures turn out to be the real-deal...

[fletcher]

Well sprocket - I think you make a valid point - no one's gravity driven OU device [if it were possible] would be quite as valuable tommorrow if quinn could produce the goods the day before - economic theory of supply & demand coupled with absolute uniqueness - as for, is AB Hammer anymore pissed than anyone else ? - it could be that he just sees his wheel as having far greater potential for useful power output, for size & resources, than quinns, which he appears to have relegated to fairly inconsequential 'toy' status but obviously believes in - me, I'd be well pleased just to have a 'toy' that was able to be given a starting impulse & see it accelerate & maintain a higher RPM, especially if it were intermittently braked, robbing it of momentum, so that it could speed up again - it wouldn't worry me if the POP couldn't immediately put out at least 1 kw [like the Aero/Orion challenge requires] - plenty of time to improve it by better engineering practices &/or scale, so something such as quinns or AB's 'toy' would be just fine for starters.

[Newtonian God]

yeah im wondering why people are so scared to get away from oil and will try almost anything to disprove other working tech..

C'mon b0rg13, you're sounding like you are only a few nanoprobes short of being a Pez dispenser. I think that it is time for you to spend some time in your Borg Regeneration Chamber. Maybe you should come back after a full recharge!

hmm whats the point in picking apart some ones ideas?

Is the answer really not apparent to you? Picking the idea apart is a routine part of the invention and discovery process.  When someone makes extraordinary claims it demands extraordinary scrutiny. It's important to validate the idea and prevent others from wasting their valuable time pursuing an unobtainable result if the "concept" (keep in mind, that?s all Archer has shown us) is based on flawed logic or lack of understanding or knowledge.

Wouldn't you rather know now instead of after you wasted several weeks of your time trying to build a device that won't work? Even worse, how would you like to start building a device along with the inventor only to have him abandon it 10% before completion to pursue an even better (unproven) device based on a totally different concept? Notice the emphasis on "concept".

....why are you so worried archer might have something workable ?

I think that you are missing the point. No one is worried that Archer might have something, no, not even big oil. I for one would love nothing more to see Archer succeed and put every oil company out of business. Close scrutiny of Archer's comments/ramblings/chicken scratch will only help validate Archer's claims if they have any merit. The sooner that Archer's device is validated the faster that it will change the world.

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Newtonian God
"You can believe in perpetual motion and be thought a fool, or you can believe in Archer Quinn and remove all doubt."

[Newtonian God]

At least Archer is going forward to build a huge device,
which I don?t yet understand, why he needs all these bundled tubes...

Haven't you heard, the internet is just a series of tubes? Archer is upgrading his internet connection.

As explained by Archer's long lost uncle:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE