Roll on the 20th June

[Gustav22]

Yes, this situation is different (having a cold air bypass without recirculation).
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What if a check valve (unidirectional restrictor valve) is added in "the bypass", so that the direction of flow as indicated by the arrow near the "bypass" is preserved?

edit: I just realized, that there is no need for such a valve, if the Venturi effect is used, because the desired reflow/recirculation will be established due to fluid dynamics.
But I must admit that I have not fully grasped it myself, so I can not properly explain it to others.

[spinner]

What if a check valve (unidirectional restrictor valve) is added in "the bypass", so that the direction of flow as indicated by the arrow near the "bypass" is preserved?

It wouldn't work (uni-valve), because there's still a pressure difference which forces an air into bypass in opposite direction. Conical shape is helping, but it would be quite the same even with cylindrical chamber. In Archer's "thermal accelerator", or 'heat recycler' the return pipe works in suction/exhaust "mode".

[sm0ky2]

...... i dont even know where to start, theres so much BAD physics on both sides of this debate....

we have people that can't even understand a simple lever/fulcrum.. How do i explain a unified field theory to them? 
and they are either  a) using their lack of understanding to support archer
or b) using their lack of understanding to debunk him.

then we have people that DO understand levers, who are either  c) using ther understanding to convince themselves that this wheel wont work,
or - d) are intrigued by the device enough to give it further study.

NOW:  If you are A, or B - then, although you have my sympathy, i have little regards for your mathematical analysis of the subject.

If you are C, then at least you can comprehend it enough to back up your reasoning of it "not working".
But this is primarily directed to those who find themselves in group D.

If you really want to understand the mathematics behind the operation of this wheel, you need to understand the interacting forces. This is NOT simply E=mgh and some leverage tricks.
Leverage only applies periodically, and for only the duration that the rod is in a constant radial-position.
when the rod moves the leverage changes.

We are in fact altering the gravitational constant during portions of the wheel's rotation. Meaning, the downward acceleration force on the weights in the repelling magnetic field is not 9.8m/s/s

nor is it when the weights are in the attracting magnetic field.

the work function relating to (normal) gravity only occurs in the two non-functional quadrants of the circle - where the weight is imbalanced.

the work performed to lift the weights in the magnetic field is significantly less.

all in all we have SEVERAL values that must be calculated. NOT just 10kg to 1kg on a 5:1 lever...

Just to give an example of one cycle:

1)(starting force) Force required to enter the repulsion zone with the lower rod-end.
    This equates to an energy value over an arc' distance^2 from 6:00 to the inside of the repulsion barrier. Respective leverages applied
2) (work force)Gravitational constant - repulsing magnetism - attracting magnetism
     This equates to an energy value over a verticle distance the displacement of the rod, at some angle, for a duration of some time. (sum of all angles to get total anti-gravitational energy)
3) (duty force) gravitational constant working on offset weights
    This equates to an energy value (PE) of the offset weights falling from 3:00 to 6:00
           and again from 9:00 to the begining of the attraction field. Respective leverages applied.
4) Momentum - this equates to an energy value of the moving mass of the wheel at a velocity, cause by the gravitational acceleration (3).

All four of these must be handled seperately, and they must all be considered when examining this system.

For functionality the only values that are essential are 4 > 1

the energy it takes to move the rods+weights is LESS than E=mgh (because of the magnetic effects on the gravitational constant)
the energy the offset weights is imparting into the wheel IS  E=mgh
[ h being the verticle displacement of a weight on the wheel above 6:00, or above an imaginary line tangent to the bottom of the wheel]

Simple discussion of levers and pullies is not going to help us analyze this device.
All of this nonsense about what will and wont lift a weight to where........ I wonder if many of you even understand the device Archer is trying to present here.......

[badassdjbynight]

And as of yet, the only device I saw having any potential is his mag-grav wheel. But, sad to say, no one (including Archer) has been able to demonstrate a functioning device, even after his great release for that.

His syphon isnt another device, just "proof" of how stupid the world was before he blessed us with his wisdom. Only problem, there is no free energy there. He claims by splitting the exit pipe he is "getting the water to fall twice." The flow rate remains the same, and it all eventually makes its way to a lower state of potential energy with no work being done by the system. So wheres the free energy? How does this prove the world wrong? Um, there isnt, and it doesnt...

As far as June 20 goes, I have a feeling he will simply state the device is up and running and he has saved the world. No one will see it run, just maybe a couple of pics. He will maintain his celebrity status by assisting those who "just cant seem to get it to work," and the world will go on as though he never existed.

I think it's interesting that your post was able to bring Archer back.  You know, I still don't know why Archer has moved on to these other topics and started building that lever and starting talking about siphons.  What happened to his magnet driven wheel?  If you really take the time to read over all 36-fricken-pages of this thread you'll see that he started with that, then probably realized that it wasn't going to work, and then moved on to another device.  At some lever you have to admire the fact that he's actually building that huge thing, but I just don't get it.  Of all the things his first idea had the most promise... and doesn't he OWE it to all of his followers to stick with it.  At least 3 people on here are trying to build the wheel.  Shouldn't he be honest with them and explain why it didn't work or at least admit that it didn't work.  If he really is being selfless in this wouldn't he want to share his findings so that others can avoid his mistakes, maybe improve on his design?

I think his ego is too big to allow anyone else to out-design the mighty quinn.  If FE or OU is possible it MUST come from him and everyone else must be an idiot.

I said it like 20 forum pages ago.. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4540.msg95127.html#msg95127

If AQ's device is to work it seems to me that it will work because of precision and tolerances.  Meaning that it will have to be constructed exactly right so that there is just enough magnetic force to push the magnet/weight up but not so much that it repels it from entering the field to begin with.  And it's possible that it will have to be jump started (hand spun) so that momentum will keep it rolling.

I've been giving this a LOT of thought lately.  I wish I understood magnets better and knew some math about their attraction and repelling properties.  I have a good idea of why it won't work, but I'm not the guy who will make claims that are completely unsubstantiated.  So I'm going to work on it a bit.  There MIGHT be a way to have the tolerances and distances set just right - but I doubt it.

I think the fact that Archer moved on is a good indication that he knows it doesn't work.  Why didn't it work Archer?

[badassdjbynight]

Oh by the way, a siphon still works via gravity.  Once the siphon is primed (full of liquid) the water will transfer from the higher position to the lower position.  Say you have a siphon hose connecting two equally sized tanks side by side, one is empty and one is full.  The hose goes up over the edge of the two tanks.  Gravity is pulling on the water in both ends of the tube - just like gravity on a lever is pulling on both sides of the lever.  But the side that has more weight will win and the water will start to flow that direction.  In a siphon this creates a suction at the intake end and water will continue to flow until it reaches UNITY - to where both tanks have the same water level.  Really it's no different than just connecting the two tanks with a pipe at the bottom - except that the siphon would work much slower.  Within reason it doesn't matter how high the tube goes up as long as it reaches the bottom of both tanks.  However is soon as you puncture a hole at the top of that tube air would get in and there would be no flow.

I don't know the math on this (neither does archer) but I can tell you that the whole siphon thing is simply a distractionary technique to keep us from thinking about the original wheel that he now knows doesn't work.