Roll on the 20th June

[legendre]

spyblue,

Hello people.. this post are interesting but sincerely I don?t know how Mr Quinn want be respected if every time he write bad words and offensive sentences, that?s not a behavior of a person that want just show an ideia, he act like want force an idea.. because it almost people don?t give a chance. I?m sorry but he write like a children.. how we can consider his idea by this way ? 

I think it all comes down to 'writing to ones audience'. I'm sure your mother tongue has its own way of expressing this concept..

-L

[exxcomm0n]

@ legendre

Hmmmmm....member since Aug 2006 and 59 posts.

Well, you have better longevity here than me, I'll grant you that. But is your content of your posts always in the same vein?

I mean, posting to discredit an idea, rather than propose one?

Have you posted any observances, discoveries, experiments, anything but invective?

Just curious.

[sigmaX]

Hi!

I promised some looong days ago that I would not post again in here... but now I think this post has been converted into another thing (maybe having a pivot point in archer running away). SO I am breaking my own selfimposed silence, cheating or not in the fact that this is now the A.A Era (After Archer).

I've been visiting this forum for months (more than a year), but never thought I could add scientific value / ideas before, so I only avidly read, and hanged on the edge of my seat on several ocassions (for example the TPU efforts, now particularly carried away by GiantKiller or Dr. Stiffler's work, are not fully understood by me, but they seem to be doing serious, promising on-going work). I can only hope that I can replicate their work, when they crack something useful (for me and hopefully the people of my comunity -latin america).

Then along came Archer.

The idea of perpetual machines is very old. Yet no one got one that I know of cracked it... And yes, I know about this guy, the artist, in europe, that has the ball thingy going and going, but given his artistic background, I suspect he might have taken some licenses (read: batteries or similar) so to achieve the artistic render of the "perpetual motion" (that by the way he himself states that the thing stops periodically (one month or weeks).

It was a gross, nasty experience, the one about Archer. At first personally I wanted to believe. But then, EVEN AS I AM QUITE IGNORANT  on physics, I started to see (more with common sense, than "newtonian influence") that the guy lacked basic reasoning bits in his ideas.

Then there was the language he used. It might be ok to talk "dirty" on concepts, but it is NOT ok to denigrate / insult particular fellow posters as he did.

Personally I think that if this post would have required strong moderating, it's first action should have been to KICK HIM in the early stages, when he started calling people things (I received my share too).

You start to add everything up: 1) his claims, 2) the way he states them, with missing bits 3) the way he defends them and cannot see the obvious, 4) his background (now particularly reinforced by the fact that he comes from yet another forum - yahoo one if I recall- and in there he was a despotic guy, banning people all around) and you might understand a bit better the human nature. Phenomena like "loved" dictators and religious deranged leaders come to my mind. In short:  Crazy people with grandeur delusions.

Maybe it is a godsend that Archer streams his energy into weird contraptions, and not into initiating a sect

BUT ANYWAY lots of guys in here still not only listened to him, but TRIED to build his visions.

THAT PARTICULAR FACT kills me. I mean, I am not particularly inteligent, YET I had understood (with my common sense) early on,  the flaws in Archer?s ideas. THEN I did a bit of google search, and FOUND OUT that they where NOT HIS IDEAS. The guy (consciously or unconsciously) seems to have read about earlier experiments with gravity wheels and magnets (at 1 and 7 o?clock) displacing weight to try to mantain movement, and adopted them as HIS ?!!!!

Well then, he introduced the lever thingy, and it was too obvious: everything wend downpipe (siphoned so to speak) and here we are.

I am SAD that people not only defended him, but believed in him: these kind of people has nothing to do (my personal opinion) with this forum. I mean, I have simpathy for them, but "real overunity searchers" need to be a bit more enlightened than to "believe" in a lunatic that tries to explain (way wrongly) how a fulcrum / lever works, or sell the concept of a gravity wheel as of his own. GOOGLE can show you such flaws and facts in 20 second, and yet people lost days and weeks building facsimiles of Archer?s saying.

Sorry for my english. People reconsider this trip, do some introspection, and for those that believed and spent money and time on Archer's delussional sayings, consider donating into other projects (tpu, stiffler) or also go to any Non profit organization that works with children in the streets, feeding or housing them, and place your work / time / money in there: it will be way more gratifier for you, I am sure.

btw: exxcom0n: Regarding your comment to this legendre guy:

You want people NOT to act as devil's advocate and not to point out possible causes for an idea not to work. In short, you want a sect / cult following forum where everyone go and build the Archer's wheel of faith, and let the advocates die ? are you sure ? I just put in more "extreme" wording what you seem to have said to legendre: You must "be born in blood and build the wheel to be worth" and "on this house we don't speak the devil's language".

You cannot expect serious investigation work, without, by hands with the good old scientific methodology, EXPECT to a) publish your ideas, using feedback to credit or discredit them, proove your theories, etc. It is to be expected that we, forum users, will HELP whenever possible by acting as devil?s advocates, and also replicating some projects (which first must be replication-worth).

Remember: freedom of tought and acts, and as good old Voltaire said: I dissent with you, but I will give my life for you to be able to express it. This is reciprocally applied too. Anyone here must be GRANTED the capacity of DISAGREE (strongly or whaveter) with Archer?s ideas. MAINLY because this should not be a belief system, but a physics (newtonian or whatever) workshop that must be -by design- available and prone to critics.



sigmaX

[ramset]

Why so much anger? emotion? fear?  MONDAY pres Bush awarded a medal to 19 yr old Pfc Ross McGinnis  parents   he jumped on a grenade and saved  four  other boys at the cost of his own life    many of us have children that can be drafted into this ....{I don't even know what to call it] its some kind of oil fired machine that kills and maims  girls women boys men children     where help comes from    how help comes  I really don't care  someone talks out their  ass  and has a solution    they have my ear   someone comes accross as angry  well if you have spent ANY time in this Forum you know the real lies that science has been taught   Not what should be taught  we are the sheeple they tell us how to live and die    Archer ain't no sheeple  yes he's pissed at science   the tool to keep status quo  yes he has my ear  I would [as most] do anything to keep my three sons from the jaws of that oil fired monster  They don't need Medals    Chet

[jratcliff]

Wow, has anyone checked out Archer's website today?  He has really flipped out.

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage.html

http://www.surphzup.com/index.html

Come back to earth Archer and keep building your wheel for June 20th, the world awaits with baited breath.

I revised my blog posting to be more fair to Archer by quoting some of his statements directly.  http://jratcliffscarab.blogspot.com/2008/06/archer-quinns-descent-into-madness-is.html