Roll on the 20th June

[legendre]

exxcomm0n,

@ legendre

Hmmmmm....member since Aug 2006 and 59 posts.

Well, you have better longevity here than me, I'll grant you that. But is the content of your posts always in the same vein?

Regarding my comments in this specific thread, yes.. I'm a bit of a broken record. But elsewhere, not necessarily.

I mean, posting to discredit an idea, rather than propose one, or <gasp> show your own?

I will freely admit that I don't really have any novel concepts for the production of Free Energy - a fact which shouldn't surprise either side of the skeptic / believer fence.. but of course, each camp has their own basis for a lack of surprise.

Have you posted any observances, discoveries, experiments, anything but invective?

I thought you were tailing my posts? You should know that of all that I've written, invective is but a small portion - depending on which definition of 'invective' you're operating under.

Thing is, it's quite difficult to post anything here even resembling Good Physics without being accused of deriding Archer Quinn. So, if your definition of invective includes anything derisive, then your impressions may vary.

You have given arguments as to why you think these things are scams, and brought up salient points to consider, but I have yet to see a "proof" of the disproving concepts.

If you want proof, use Google, Wikipedia or crack open a textbook. And when someone comes along making extraordinary claims that defy accepted science, the burden of proof is on themselves - not their skeptics. The reason for this, is that the accepted science has already withstood the immense rigors of skepticism, and has prevailed - so when a challenge is made, it's the challenger's turn to face the same. Fair is fair, right?

Could you please come back when you have something that evinces anything more than PEBCAK? (Problem exists between chair and keyboard)

Not quite sure that I understand - are you suggesting that the problem with Archer's devices is me? The problems with Archer's ideas are threefold:

1) They defy accepted rules of physics, which have been tested and shown valid countless times over many centuries.

2) They are based on a new set of 'rules', each of which are either rife with misunderstanding or a pure, bald-faced fabrication. In either case, they are demonstrably false.

3) Archer has neglected to offer any objective proof for even one of his wild, anti-Newtonian assertions.

In short, we really have nothing to work with other than the wishful words of a guy in Australia with a predilection for insults and foul language. 'Archer says' doesn't cut the mustard.

I hope that answers your questions.

-L

[Slavo]

now i cant view pics on surphzup archer

can you uplaod them to imageshack.us instead of google so everyone can see em???

[onesnzeros]

wow didn't see the boss was posting  well the gauntlet has been set guys put up or shut up Chet

Chet, you really need to get a new myth. I'm sure your tired of praying all day long for something good to happen.

Onesnzeros

[The Eskimo Quinn]

i can see the oil men will keep posting long scipts to remove the challenge so people won't see they are running now so i will post it on the webpage also. and direct them to this thread, I hope harti isnt clos to exceed his maximum posts again.

the page is here

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage.html

[MrKai]

I just want to make sure I am 100% clear on this:

AQ/TMQ/EQ or whatever he calls himself decides that because of a bunch of people that are his Known Enemies ("Newtonians") endeavor to...discredit him, or to seek...clarity on the math behind this, people that are his SWORN ENEMIES, he decides that because THESE PEOPLE are against him that everyone else is a simple "monkey" and as thus and so do no get to inherit the Sword of God?

Ok, first of all, I'm a big fan of Christopher Walken, so ripping off his lines and schtick from "The Prophecy" IS NOT COOL, OK?!

Secondly, the SuperModerator of overunity.com is NOT an "oilman"...however, his pleas...his BEGGING for clarification basically got zilch plus some nasty commentary.

Why?

Chet, Slavo et al: do you all think that ANY science, of any type, in any field is valid? How about sociology and psychology? I mean I seriously hope this thread is around forever; it is a great reference work for all KINDS of socio-psychological study!

I mean...can you guys NOT SEE how blinded you are *by your own bias*?!?!

Seriously...the Moderator of THIS SITE has had some questions...to the degree that he broke out some software modeling and did some math...but yet YOU DON'T ATTACK HIM?!

Did you not see this...or do you not dare?

At the end of the day, the only person, THE ONLY PERSON that I have seen with my OWN EYES to be disingenuous is the guy that claims to have built more than one machine that can run by itself and facilitate the making of 'lectricity.

The entire NOTION that this man would walk away from such a mindblowing thing is nothing short of...

Predictable, and par for the course. Hell even his "See? TOLD YOU 'monkeys' that it works...HA HA!!!" page seems to have the friggin' pictures missing...and we know he knows how to post pictures

I mean, there is a certain level of suspension of disbelief that goes with the whole OU thing...but to accuse folks that have asked the same questions as YOUR OWN MODERATOR of some sort of nefarious agenda is beyond passion and bordering on the formation of a delusional cult of personality.

I'm waiting for someone to threaten physical harm against an Archer detractor to essentially "seal the deal".

Archer has misled, apparently not out of spite but just bluster and utter confusion. It seems the spite came later.

And Archer?

All of your preaching to the choir is really nice, but at the end of the day, YOU threw down the gauntlet, not your detractors. Drop the math lessons and build your WHEEL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK, make a damned video and be done with it.

Follow up with this fulcrum thing, the world shuts the hell up, you get your (obviously) much needed reverence for actually producing a result.

What happened to something so simple to build and understand that a chick could do it? Stop drawing pictures and name calling, build your goddamned machines and claim the win or SHUT THE HELL UP.

Because seriously? At This juncture, the only "oilman" around here seems to be the one greasin' his ego, and his machines (or more properly, his supposed machines) with a slippery lubricant derived from snakes