Roll on the 20th June

[purepower]

You are saying that if I shift the rod to one side, I will not have more torque?? Because clearly we ARE going to shift the rod, so if you say that it doesn't work while the rod is centered I fail to see how this is relevant to the task at hand.

Regards,

Rainer

Im sorry, I dont recall saying we are dealing with a centered lever. Could you please quote me? If you refer to my drawing attached a few posts ago, you will clearly see I am not revering to a centered lever.

If it is off center, and we shift it so it is equally of center on the other side, then the magnitude of the torque will remain constant but the direction will change. This is what is happening on the wheel.

If the lever is centered then there is no torque. If we shift it off center, then there is torque, so it obviously changes in this instance, but this is not what I was referring to.

@Dirt
I'm not going to argue the specifics of Archer's lever. There are too many dimensional unknowns at this time. The numbers I provided are hypothetical for the example. With the video segments, we do not know if there was a change in the control rod location, etc.


-PurePower

[MrKai]

I am not stupid. of coarse I realize this, that is how a lever works when it is unbalanced.
I'm talking about the EXTRA 5.3KG that is added on to the short end. so now using yours and Pure powers numbers we have: our H= .5 as you said PLUS we have 5.3KG, which with my math says we have 5.8KG being lifted by the same 1KG on the other end. 
please explain this.
watch the vids again if you have to.
1 kg lifts at least 5.8 kg on an unbalance, short end heavy (by somewhere around .5-2kg) 5:1 fulcrum
please don't try to tell me it's because the short end is only "slightly" heavier.
I KNOW THIS, THATS MY POINT!!!!
if the short end is even 1 ounce heavier than the long end, which we know it has to be, as it is down and the long is up, than we have a problem with your explaination.
again, still waiting for a PROPER analysis.

ciao, Dirt

I don't think you are stupid at all.

I think you are very creative, and you are filling in the blanks in such a way that makes it work for you...but understand this, dirt:

There is NOTHING going on here.

I just built a smaller scale lever, upside down, like his. On the short end, i had a 2 lb weight...a heater.

on the long end, i attached a 1.5 oz plastic hanger.

Guess what happened?

Why...why is this so "oooo...ahhhh" to you? It is what levers...do

[onesnzeros]

THANKYOU  very  Very cool  a brave and true hero ..... regardless   Chet

Archer is full of half truths and delusions. You will see this on the 20th. Actually we see this now. everyone wants a Messiah, but he ain't it and there is plenty of proof to show how much he doesn't know. I feel a sense of sympathy for the guy when reality kicks him in the nuts on the 20th. 

onesnzeros

[exxcomm0n]

Wheel - lever.

Lever- wheel.

It's the same principle.

Shifting the rod w/ magnetics is the same as lever return.

The rod, no matter which end is favored, is an unbalanced fulcrum. The magnets just shift the imbalance from 1 side to the other.

Why is 1 idea from a man discounted as sheer lunacy, but the other seen as having merit and being worthy of discussion?


Rusty/Graham,

You may get tired of debating the idea of the fulcrum, but then how can you still even think about wanting to explore the wheel?

You crazy kids, I'm tellin' ya they are the SAME THING (and now I feel like Rusty just said HE did).

The wheel is an unbalanced lever, that's why it (will) turn(s).

N'est ce pas?

[Rusty_Springs]

Wheel - lever.

Lever- wheel.

It's the same principle.

Shifting the rod w/ magnetics is the same as lever return.

The rod, no matter which end is favored, is an unbalanced fulcrum. The magnets just shift the imbalance from 1 side to the other.

Why is 1 idea from a man discounted as sheer lunacy, but the other seen as having merit and being worthy of discussion?


Rusty/Graham,

You may get tired of debating the idea of the fulcrum, but then how can you still even think about wanting to explore the wheel?

You crazy kids, I'm tellin' ya they are the SAME THING (and now I feel like Rusty just said HE did).

The wheel is an unbalanced lever, that's why it (will) turn(s).

N'est ce pas?

I agree the wheel and lever are much the same and since the lever is dead then the wheel must also be dead but you can't say that here because everyone jumps down your throat.
The lever is just a shell game, Archer is moving the weights around to give the results he wants but thinking people can see it and try to explan it to people who just don't want to listen.
With his wall experiment you can see he needs to push it past the wall to get his kick the energy he is using to push it will be about the same as the energy he gets from the kick and if he does the experiment I said he will see this.
Take care Exx
Graham