Roll on the 20th June

[MrKai]

Here is the problem.  People here love to bash mainstream Newtonian physics - they say it is too rigid, corrupt, biased, closed-minded, controlled, whatever.  It is just more fun to bash and pull ideas out of the blue and say, "Oh, mainstream science would never even consider this out-of-the-box thing," and then everyone can be a pioneer.

I came here to learn some new things about alternative energy, and there are few things here and there that are useful, but the problem that gets me is largescale dismissal of the scientific method.

This part of the whole thing is what is really shocking to me. there doesn't seem to be any interest in progressing the state of the art in any way that is *repeatable*.

As I've said before, I mean, as a hobby, I guess it is cool and all, but if people aren't going to be serious, or at least, rational, it is hard to be taken seriously at all.

In science, in a particular field, people go to great lengths to prove things.  And then others try to bust these findings, and after a long and rigorous (and often grinding) process, certain things are accepted as truths.  This way, new scientists do not have to try to reprove same things over and over.  Sure, occasionally, findings get overturned, but only on good evidence.

Exactly! I just don't understand why so many people here that are obviously intellectually curious and adventurous seem to just abhor a system that will help them experiment MORE and pool effort, not waste resources repeating failures that were poorly documented in the first place.

It is almost quasi-religious around here.

The drawback of the rigors of science is that they tend to be boring to the amateur.

LOL!

Yeah I guess writing White Papers, Specs and Test Suites isn't exactly as glamorous as Screaming "It's ALIVE!!!! ALIVE!!!!!" but it is a critical part of the process.

  I have been guilty of this as well, so I am not just indicting others.  But anyway, people just make broad dismissals of certain concepts without the full appreciation of the enormous effort and indisputable empirical studies that went into proving these laws.  I see lots of people equating the laws of physics to the laws of the land, which can be changed on a whim.

Yeah...someone actually referred to the Seven Natural Laws, which to me was funny, because even they state that there must be a balance, that every action has a consequence of equal effect attached to it...which seems like a "meta" version of the pesky physics folks seem to throw eggs at.

So I guess what I am trying to say, when you are dealing with the free energy subculture ("free energy" as in perpetual motion, energy from nothing), there is a fundamental disconnect that you will quickly encounter, and it will hit you like a brick wall.  There is nothing you can do to overcome it, and the more rational arguments you put up, the more you frustrate yourself.  Moreover, others will consider you an enemy of the cause, or worse, a simple troll.  Anyway, just know you are not alone, but in the far minority here.

Thank you for your insightful observation and camaraderie

I could sense I wasn't alone but it is nice to know that others out there, regardless of what side they are on, recognize that THIS current mess does NOTHING to help the FE crowd not look like exactly the kinds of people that are ignored because they seem cultish, purposefully ignorant and "crazy".

It must be like being a Mac person that hangs head in shame when they see a fanboy attack a person in a Big Box store about to buy a PC...that "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" thing

[purepower]

so that leaves out anything electrical for a start.

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that shows how much of a silly little boy you are, the whole world is now going to inverter technology, because they now see that DC is more easilly controlled, consumes less power yet still has the amps.

Silly boy, you are missing the point.

When I said "push on the world" I was referring to mass distribution, "grid" power. In electronic devices, DC is easier to use. However, there are TREMENDOUS LOSSES when using DC over great distances. AC is still the method of choice, and then it is inverted for use. This is as it has always been. But Im sure you knew that, you just like to hear yourself talk...

And you really think a computer is nothing more than "icing" on the use of electricity? Youve got a lot to learn...

Also, Einstein never "invented," thats what were arguing. You want him on your side because he is "uneducated," yet you hate him for "stealing" the work of others. Fine, have him, and let it be known that uneducated individuals steal the work of educated individuals!

Here it a brief list:

The personal computer, cell phone, LCD, cathode ray tube, nuclear fusion, nuclear fission, AC current, sonar, the radio, internal combustion engine, steam engine, electric motor, the battery, scanning electron microscope, infrared telescope, MRI, every pharmaceuticals in use today, every medical procedure in use today, the refrigeration cycle, the automobile, the production line, the printing press, stem cell applications, biodiesel, bio-plastics, pesticides/insecticides, cloning, genetic engineering, plasma cutters, the laser, the jet engine, the modern rocket, everything that has ever left our atmosphere, and the list goes on...

While some of what was mentioned uses tools and pieces from uneducated individuals, they are way more than just "icing" on the tools.

By that logic, you have invented nothing either! A lever, magnets, and wheels have been around for centuries! All you have done is "added sugar!"

Seriously, can we get back to FE, or are you going to continue to bother us with your nonsense?

-PurePower

[MrKai]

i knew it balh blah blah not one invention, just fields of invention all using electricty to do it.

you just dont get clown

this "IS" a phyics thread, building without the use of electricty. nothing i am building could not be made with hand tools bolts instead of weolding etc, even natural rare earth magnets.

if you dismiss pure physics then you have no right to be here, that is the whole discussion.
This is a physics thread, not a humanitarian, I picked up a bag of rubbish thread.

I'm not even sure I need to really point this out, but this guy runs this website:http://www.surphzup.com/

Hypocrisy Much?

You don't get to change the argument Quinn. It isn't about what KAI knows or doesn't know, it is about what QUINN CLAIMS to know, CLAIMS TO HAVE DONE, and CLAIMS he is doing.

And just because you CLAIM some BULLSHIT doesn't give you one iota of credibility anywhere outside of your Cult of Personality.

Slick, you have youTube stream of FAILURE online for ALL TO SEE. Did you not forget this?

Did you NOT forget that YOU put on youTube videos of shit that doesn't work and is incomplete?

Are you responsible for that or not?

Do we need to pull up the blue, non-mystic version of your site where you spent an inordinate amount of time dismissing physics, Quinn?

Are you THAT disconnected from reality that you would even...

Ugh. What a Maroon!

(cue "Merry Go Round Broke Down...")

[redriderno22]

You all need to kiss and make up

it is fun to see you all fightin

its the only reason i come here anymore...lol

it would be neat to put all of you in a small room for a couple of hours

to see who makes it out

i bet exx would be the only one

carring buckets of water out of a basement builds muscle

[tekylife]

@ Archer :

In addition to yours, how many working magnetic drives will be working by the 20th. Are you in contact with any replicators withholding their results ?

Many suggested that once we get the wheel to spin any load applied would stop it. Are you tuning yours with the generator load applied ?

What kind of house appliances will powered by the wheel for the demo ?

I'm assuming that now you have have it all pieced together, or at least that you won't be buying any new elements. Can you provide would be replicators with your current component list ?

How many arms will your magnetic drive feature ?

@ CLaNZer, Dusty, redrideno22, others replicating :

You guys seems busier building than making a website or arguing in the forum. What is the status of your builds ?
Do you think the current instructions are enough to build a drive ? If not what is missing ?
Are any of you confident their drive will be working next Friday ?
Actually are you still building it ?


Thanks