Roll on the 20th June

[zerotensor]

NEVER GIVE UP,,,,,,,,

from wikipedia:

"Sisyphean task" or "Sisyphean challenge"

As a punishment from the gods for his trickery, Sisyphus was compelled to roll a huge rock up a steep hill, but before he could reach the top of the hill, the rock would always roll back down again, forcing him to begin again.[2] The maddening nature of the punishment was reserved for Sisyphus due to his hubristic belief that his cleverness surpassed that of Zeus.

[MrKai]

Hi Exx
I was one of the sceptics from the begining, the site I just put up on my last post is me not putting anything on the table to do with FE, just because we can see where something can't work with out having to test it don't mean we are against FE.
Take Care Exx
Graham

Oddly enough Graham, the exact position you take above is how I got dragged into this BS with exx...I suggested, in a rather graphic way this same position, with a pretty solid argument.

The problem, as I see it, is that certain people cannot hold things that are seemingly opposing to be true. Just go back and look at the gunfire exchange.

I believe I even explained it somewhat like this: it is patently ridiculous for us to throw all of human knowledge out the window to prove a negative!

It is a schoolyard pissing match game, if that. Like you said, it is perfectly reasonable, viable and even sensible to use math, physics and history in a comprehensive analysis of a design or idea to determine if pursuing it might be lacking in merit or wasteful of resources.

This ISN'T negativity...this isn't "trashing". Believe me, there are enough Newtonians out there that believe beyond ALL DOUBT that ANY FE/OU is impossible. And, as I stated then, I repeat now: that is BAD SCIENCE...that is RELIGION.

Newton's Laws are fairly unique; they stood for hundreds of years unfalslified...but are still subject to falsification. They aren't The Truth; that is the domain of religion and philosophy. They are however a pretty good starting point for any physics research.

What is even more weird tho Graham is how time and time again folks talk about "building"...which is part of the scientific process: testing/falsification/replication of results and peer review.

I wish that this browser did not suck as bad as it did and the post I want to reference was not buried here, so my apologies for the original poster for not attributing directly, but this thought, paraphrased was this:

"The scholarly bits of science are rather boring to the layperson."

I'm willing to accept that, so let's leave THAT part to those that WANT to do the scholarly debate. Let's have those discussions, and if folks still want to have at it, let them...if they choose to be willfully ignorant at that point it is fine and we let it go.

If FE is to be found, you really have to separate the wheat from the chaff...and the chaff is not the exclusive domain of folks that want some more eyes on a thing that know what it is about.

Let the builders build, the artists draw and render, the physicists run the numbers, the researchers investigate and the watchers watch.

If all of these sum parts are contributing to the main goal then it is ALL GOOD.

One-sided "oh god, this will NEVER work and you are ALL FOOLS!! Can't you SEE? NO ONE CAN CHALLENGE NEWTON!!!  LOL STUPID MORONS!!!" arguments are just as bad as "No! No! NO MATH! NO SCIENCE! Let's flush critical thinking and just bang the rocks together like Neanderthal and Cro-Mag did!!! LALALALALLALALALA NOT LISTENING!!!! Yo MAMA!!!!"

Feelin' me?

-K

[MrKai]

from wikipedia:

You know the joke about using Wikipedia as a scholarly reference right?

Come on, you know you had a chuckle there

But yeah...I'm starting to feel that appealing to reason, even a little, is a task of similar futility

-K

[Thaelin]

   Might not want to count too many chickens yet   

NEWTON WINS!

[MrKai]

   Might not want to count too many chickens yet   

I've been hearing there may have been some news/verification on the TPU front...tho I haven't been involved yet so perhaps a more apropos statement might have been "NEWTON WINS THIS ROUND".

It sucks to be so centrist

-K