Roll on the 20th June

[purepower]

Yes yes yes!  He is great man and has given the world such great things (and so much more to come).  We MUST continue to give him money to finish this build!

Do YOU want to be the one who keeps the world from being a better place because YOU didn't contribute to his build??  No!

And when the build stalls for lack of funds next week or the next we all MUST contribute more.  And then when it is almost done, but not quite, we all MUST contribute even more!!

Come one world!!

Hmm, just thinking about the donation figures...

There are 36 known donations (32 first day, 4 following week after). Yet there is only $2000?

That would mean everyone donated, on average, $55.55. Either his supporters need to put their money where their mouth is an come up with a better donation than that or something is fishy...

Anyone else find it odd the amount came out to $2000 even? Given all different size contributions, different exchange rates from all different countries, that's pretty incredible for the total to come out to a nice even number like that. But I'm sure its just an estimate, why bother with details when the whole world is watching?..

And a $55 average makes my $100 incentive look pretty damn good.

Anyone care to share how much they donated so we can see who is all bark and no bite?

-PurePower

PS Why hasn't anyone offered to be AQ's accountant? The man has a lot to deal with and shouldnt have to worry about money. I'd offer, but I think he'd say no thanks...

[shakman]

Wow, wait a second...

You mean to tell me AQ never claimed to build an OU wheel in the past?

And he never finished the lever.

So what has he accomplished?

Why do people put so much faith in him?

Why does everyone think AQ has a better chance at OU than you, me, themselves, or anyone?

I'm not trying to be a skeptic, but shouldnt this be something important to considder?

-PurePower

PP you've posed most of these questions many times in this thread in various forms. You clearly failed to read the replies the first time but maybe the "new" PP will be willing to listen for a change 

I think Archer is a better chance at OU than me or you (or the other me you referred too, I feel like Arnie in The 6th Day) because not only does he have a very good idea of what he hopes to achieve but he is actually making an effort to build it and taking time out to film and photograph his trials and tribulations with us all. So right there he has already achieved more than you, and me (... and the other me). And that's why I put so much "faith" in him - although I don't think "faith" is the right word. If Archer's other supporters don't mind me speaking on their behalf, it's actually "hope" that we have. I don't mean to offend you but Archer has given me a hell of a lot more hope than you have so far.

So I couldn't give a toss if he's built one or ten or none before. His idea makes perfect sense to me and he is putting his ideas into action.

I don't know if I need to repeat this again (I mean, even Newt dug up the evidence for us) but Archer said that the first version, which demonstrated the concept, required a 12v DC input to power electro-magnetic fields. He is trying to achieve the same phenomenon using permanent magnets (no power input). Obviously taking the idea from the concept stage to a working model with no power input is going to require some tinkering. I don't think Archer at first fully appreciated how much tinkering would be required to get this to work without a power input, hence the dead-line being missed. But how many times do you read "such and such concept has been proved and tested under laboratory conditions and a production version should be available in [enter date five years from now]"?

Okay, so Archer carried on that he never fails at anything and he did fail to hit the deadline. It is a far-fetched claim and I can't defend him on that point. Failing is a key to learning. But this very point is why I think Archer will get this going. He is learning more and more as he makes the concept a reality. And he still has not failed to get a working model, he purely failed to hit his own unrealistic deadline. It certainly didn't fail to get people to sit up and listen though.

So that should answer most of your questions. The only question I have left to ask of you is why you still feel compelled to post these questions in this thread after they have already been answered several times?

shakman

[gwhy!]

FE Truth: How many working prototypes currently exist?

Archer: The first one I destroyed (the 12 volt one) Toys do not impress me, nor do they impress the public looking for something that can be used straight away, not some fairy story of down the track. There are several sets of plans with friends, and some with people who don't even know they have them, but this will be the only working one as of that date, and once you read and see the full build, you will note that any basic welder or mechanic or good handyman can reproduce the effect.

Sorry Newt,  this do not say that this prototype was a working perpetual motion machine unless I'm missing something ( like a whole sentence of maybe even a paragraph ) maybe you need to re-read it with a sensible head on, so what I ask originally still stands. And I think it was on his web site that he actually said that the toy wasn't OU, if like you say has now been removed from his site then we will never know for sure so there is no point keep banging on about it.

[shakman]

Hmm, just thinking about the donation figures...

There are 36 known donations (32 first day, 4 following week after). Yet there is only $2000?

That would mean everyone donated, on average, $55.55. Either his supporters need to put their money where their mouth is an come up with a better donation than that or something is fishy...

Anyone else find it odd the amount came out to $2000 even? Given all different size contributions, different exchange rates from all different countries, that's pretty incredible for the total to come out to a nice even number like that. But I'm sure its just an estimate, why bother with details when the whole world is watching?..

And a $55 average makes my $100 incentive look pretty damn good.

Anyone care to share how much they donated so we can see who is all bark and no bite?

-PurePower

PS Why hasn't anyone offered to be AQ's accountant? The man has a lot to deal with and shouldnt have to worry about money. I'd offer, but I think he'd say no thanks...

@PP

Sorry mate but I don't think the parts you see in his vids just appeared out of nowhere. If he was going to lie about funds he might as well stop buying parts and spending time on the build. Then he could pocket the whole amount without spending a cent.

Archer said "The total reached just under $2000". So there is by no means any "nice round numbers" involved. Converting to AUD would mean that it is almost certainly an odd number in dollars and cents (and I mean odd as in "not round", not neccessarily an un-even number).

So it looks like the old PP is back. I could go on further and continue to pick holes in your posts but I think I have humiliated you enough so far in this thread and I think that you are genuine, if not a little simple, so I will spare you the pain. To save yourself the same pain, please try to bring the "new" PP that you promised us all to the keyboard before you type again.

shakman

EDIT:

I just did some numbers of my own after doing some research on PayPal. I am basing these numbers on the current exchange rate provided by PayPal and the fees and charges information present on their website. Here's what I came up with, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:

Credit card transaction fees include a 4.4% fee plus a $0.30 AUD flat fee.

The Multiple Currency Transactions fee is 3.4% plus another $0.30 AUD flat fee.

Based on the current PayPal conversion rate from USD to AUD, US$50 = AU$50.61.

So after conversion and fees a US$50 donation equates to roughly AU$46 by the time Archer gets it from PayPal.

So if every one of the 36 contributors donated US$50, Archer would only have AU$1,656. So obviously some people donated a bit more, and some probably donated less a bit less. Once again, something that makes perfect sense to me and everyone else seems to elude PP . :p

EDIT 2:

I failed to answer your query about donations. I originally donated US$50.

I have since donated a little more after Archer posted the figures you have quoted, based on the work he has done and materials he has bought. I will donate more as it is needed as long as I still think it is worthwhile. Money isn't a huge deal to me. I always have more than enough for myself and my toys (amongst my hobbies, I play guitar and have a problem commonly referred to as "GAS" - Guitar Aquisition Syndrome). I sometimes have a little left over to share with others, like the donations I've made to Archer.

Why am I donating to Archer? Because he's doing something I'd like to do but can't and that's build a magnetic wheel that may/may not run of its own accord. If I can see that he's actually buying materials and spending time on the wheel then I will support him in what ever capacity I can. Aside from not having the space or skill to build a wheel myself, with Archer building I don't even need to fork out the full amount for it financially as other people are also supporting him. It doesn't sound so crazy to me.

[exxcomm0n]

Jay-ZUES!

I left for 3 or 4 days, and it became nice and quiet here. I come back and the entire thread is right back to where it was that prompted me to not post.

@ newt

You don't seem to be very good at questions posed to you, and again, your factual analysis is a bit lacking.
Rest assured that your antics provide others just as much entertainment as theirs seem to amuse you.

Film yourself doing ANYTHING. Have the balls to put your face on camera while doing it, and then I'll start putting more stock in your "content".

@ Pure

Since I'm the one calling a skeptic out (newt), I'll answer your query.

I gave $75. I have no idea what the conversion factor is (although with the incredible "strength" of the US dollar, I doubt that it's buying power or conversion factor is that much).

I said I would before he asked for donations, I made good on my word.
The important thing is that I did it, as much to further the idea, also to prove that the idle chat I "waste" here, or anywhere (since I didn't make that proposal here) is more than that.

That, and I have the self respect not to care if people point and laugh at me.
They do it all the time anyway, until a machine they use breaks, and there they are, hat in hand, asking me to fix it.
I find that to be fucking hilarious.

You did the same (non-monetarily) by making your video about the fulcrum, so you at least put personal effort into something you believed worthwhile.

We have both "bought" our right to comment on this thread with something MUCH more meaningful than money.
We bought it with time and thought, and it doesn't matter if we were right or wrong as much as that we believed enough in our opinion or tests about a concept that we put personal effort into it.

I don't dislike skeptical input.
Heck, Rusty and Fletcher have been respectful unbelievers since the "git-go", but at least bring in their thoughts about WHY it won't work vs. personally attacking Archer or someone that is supporting his idea.

I still respect their content because I support the right of someone NOT to believe the concept, as much as I do for anyone TO support the concept, as long as it's the concept that is poked fun at, and not the person.

'Nuff said?