Roll on the 20th June

[Sprocket]

If Archer is right, (torque versus lift) then 'common sense' goes right out the window - maybe this is why we have had such problems getting this stuff to work! Someone with a bench-vice, a torque wrench and a few weights could easily prove/disprove this though...

Equally amusing though is the number of people who appear to be signing up specifically to slate Archer - maybe he has made some people nervous!  -  and just imagine the uproar there would be if he was asking for something in return (which he isn't)

I am content to give him the benefit of the doubt (we will know soon enough anyway), though I hope he will not put his crayons away just yet, as I definitely enjoy is 'dumb blonde' explanations

[sigmaX]

Sprocket,

After looking at archer's site, even before reading his solution, I could visualize something that is similar or identical to what he seems to propose:

IN short, I imagined the follwoing:

1) a wheel, vertically placed, with rays going from the center to the outer side, 3 or more (var #1), made in a non magnetic-able material like aluminium.

2) On each ray placing a circular magnet that can freely move along the ray

3) at 1 oclock, near the wheel but not touching it (var #2) an electromagnet (var #3) that will attract the ray riding magnets as they pass thru, thus placing them on the edge of the wheel.

4) at 7 oclock an electromagnet (var #3 again), that repels the ray riding magnets as they pass thru, thus placing them near the center of the wheel.

5) A dynamo / electric generator connected to the wheel (var #4)


How would it work ?

The magnets will dynamically reposition themselves by virtue of magnetic attraction and repulsion, and gravity will do the rest: We are creating virtual levers with their center on the center of the wheel, and each point being the magnets, that will throw their weight over the right of the wheel, so keeping the system in an optimum "unstability" that will make the wheel turn clockwise, creating energy in the dynamo.

The cool or tricky part would be to place a circuit with some sensors that would use part of that created energy to power itself and power the electromagnets RIGHT ON TIME as to create the desired attraction / repulsion effect at 1 and 7 oclock, but LIBERATING the whole system of it?s influence in the rest of the time (as it will work by itself, again, by using gravity and lever concepts as it?s own fuel.

The dynamo, theoretically could give then energy in excess.

I cannot completely grasp if this is in fact the thing that Quinn has thought.

About vars:

#1 how many rays would be better ? maybe the rays could be hollow tubes, and the magnets would be INSIDE the tube?  Maybe the tube could be coated or made in its upper side with bismuth so it might help (in several ways, by shielding and giving extra thrust if the electromagnets get turned on at the right moment) ?

#2 it might be difficult to get the right distance and angle ...

#3  Electromagnets ? or permanent magnets with certain shielding (again: Bismuth maybe ?) IF you use hollow tubes as the center to edge rays, maybe you can fill it with liquid magnet (ferrofluid) ?

I can, without much thinking, see it "perpetually" running in this config ... (being perpetually a rather finite number: metal fatigue, magnetic weakening, etc. will probably turn this thing off in some years)...

Anyone can comment on this ? is this archer's concept ?

[CLaNZeR]

Tell you what, these riddles are bloody annoying 

I admit I do NOT have the scientific background or brains for half the calculations you guys go on about, I am one of those people that need to build something to prove it does work, or not work for myself.
This is the only way I can work and hence why over the years I have tried to build some really good ideas down to the most outragous claims, because that is what I do and what I enjoy.

But this is maddening, in that I like the ideas Archer has, I can understand his logical way of thinking and I fully understand where he is coming from with regards goverments and big boys behind the scenes, those facts these days are so obvious if people only open their eyes, but they do not

BUT,,,, BUT Archer, you can deliver details in your way with small stories and riddles, but a picture does indeed say 1000 words and a few diagrams, with a few simple dimensions would help out a lot and you will find replicators going full steam ahead.

Everyday for the last week I have had people I have met on the FE scene over the years asking if I have started building it, and I am saying NO and then asking if they have?, their answer is NO, because they have heard these theories before over the years, put a lot of resource, time and effort into replicating other peoples ideas over the years with more information than what they can get out of the clues and riddles that Archer has been coming up with.

Archer you are paying attention to an audience that question your claims and want to debate them, but in the background are a number of people that have no interest in that kind of rambling and are willing to try and replicate your findings, yet they are being ignored.

You have an audience in these forums that will build anything to try and find the HOLY GRAIL of FE and they will do it out of their own pocket and ask for no funding or return from the effort and time they dedicate to that build, as you know any commercial company would love to have a R&D team to one side that cost them sod all to try out ideas and proof of concept.

So come on, stop using the energy debating the laws of psychics and use that energy to supply some decent stuff that others like myself can just crack on with and build summit. If you cannot deliver diagrams or pictures, then a few dimensions would do.

Cheers

Sean.

[Sprocket]

.....Anyone can comment on this ? is this archer's concept ?

There is an animated diagram one page back that shows Archers concept.  In fact, he has disclosed everything, except the real measurments that Clanzer alludes to, that are probably critical for a genuine reproduction - for instance, he has stressed that the arm rod lengths are critical - probably will have to wait till he finishes building his prototype.  As for the electromagnets, the timing shouldn't be a problem as the wheel isn't rotating that fast.  The permanent magnets will be more of a problem I suspect...

[maw2432]

OK  3 seperate electro-magnets ... at 7 O'clock to about 9 O'clock

One for each weighted rod.  This is logical because as one rod is pushed by the electro-magnetic .. you would not want the next one to be pushed the wrong way too soon.

I wonder how they are triggered... timing wise.

Did I miss this in one of the posts?

Bill