Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

Zero Completely not offended buy your statement[ sorry to disappoint  you ] I personally would love to be in a toilet[ as you inferred] with Archer    than sitting in the chair taking pot shots    This is a first for me   I didn't realize what was at stake here    must be some HORRIBLE thing I was just saved from THANKS GUYS THANKYOU SO MUCH I feel so safe now   what wonderful men we have here[ a few good men]    a bunch of pretty fart smellers    sorry i have to work for a living or i would have more of this worthless device built for your amusement   Chet

[zerotensor]

If you would like a different (in my opinion, more plausible) explanation, please see my theory paper:
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/roscoe.pdf
Also an experiment concept to prove or disprove the hypothesis, which will also prove or disprove a key feature of general relativity.
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/roscoe2.pdf
Cheers,
-Dave

Hi Dave.  That is an interesting theory.

A couple of notes:
I'd like to point out that you used the word "principal" in your paper, where you clearly meant "principle".  Of course, this is just minor housekeeping, but I thought it best to alert you anyway.

On the experimental setup, using an air-track or maglev  will introduce all kinds of noise.  I would suggest a Cavendish-style torsion balance instead.  The force could be applied as a small torque on the wire.  You can measure the ocillation of the torsional pendulum (say by bouncing a laser off a mirror attached to the wire), and from this derive the magnitude of the gravitational force.

[chrisC]

ramset's and Archer's  comments look more like "piss" to me than anything else in this discussion.  Let the flushing begin.

*whooosh*

@Zero

Why don't you give Archer a break? He said he was going to disclose everything by June 20, didn't he? Why can't you just wait for a few more days and give him the benefit of the doubt?

There's a gentleman in the other thread (Lee-Tseung Theory) who tries to convince others of his magical Lead-Out energy crap based on flawed understanding of Physics and Math. His excuse of not building a simple pendulum system was because he's only good at theory and cannot use a drill!

Unlike Mr. Tseung, Archer even started his built, showed us his setup on his web site. Whether his theory has merits or not, time will tell but please afford him some respect. Is that too difficult? Now, he's pissed off and thanks to people like you!

cheers
chrisC

[ramset]

@all wonderful benevolent fellows seeking knowledge [to assist in your builds] you had a front row seat step by step  all you had to do was shut your piehole  he was building it right in front of the whole world   step by step  he wasn't asking for instructions  didn't have a gun to your head   didn't want your help/money/ opinions    just let him finish just give him a chance   I guess this plays better  makes alot more sense   never seeing the device he was building you must feel so vindicated so PROUD and im sure you could give us the finished machine and show us what Archer meant    HERO"S to the cause   Chet  [done]

[CLaNZeR]

I think Archer and other people like Archer with great "OUT OF THE BOX" thinking/ideas are great and forums such as OU.COM would not exist if it was not for these people.

I have followed alot of idea's from people over time and some with more radical thinking than Archers.

It is part of the search for FE and OU and most people accept it, others do not and get wound up or angry by it.

At the end of the day, like all things in life, it is easy to blame someone else for your frustrations, but every now and then blame yourself for letting someone wind you up  .

If you cannot handle it, then move onto a different hobby!!!!

This goes for Archer also, most people if not all in these forums have been programmed through out life to trust the teachings of society, so when you try and break those teachings, you have a tough battle on your hands as the programing that has taken place, has so many angles and back up material that it is peoples right to question claims outside those teachings.

So when you come and claim as you have, you need to expect rebellion as you have asked people to question these teachings and they have a lot of ammunition to chuck back at you.

On the plus side, these forums have alot of members and they would not be members if they did not crave the idea of thinking out of the box.

Biggest problem is that we see new claims every week on these forums and most of them are one of three things:

1.) It is a complete Hoax and the person presenting the information knows this from the start and also knows that their are idiots like ME that will try and replicate it.

2.) The "IDEA PERSON" actually does think they have done it and as their idea progresses, they suddenly find out that it is not as they thought.

3.) The idea has some weight behind it, even to the extent of being valid. But through intimidtaion, certain members of these forums that have a job and their main job is to dis-credit an idea before it can get any further, This happens in all forums on the internet. This excludes the general Joe Bloggs that just gets frustrated, this is done by people for a reason and is a apparent in many instances if you follow the pattern through certain threads.

I would love archer to turn up on the 20th June with a working model and full dimensions, we shall wait and see!, till then, what's the next project?

Cheers

Sean.