Roll on the 20th June

[exxcomm0n]

@exx

I would love to see a model show Quinn's idea. Without getting into the moving rods thing, it would be revealing to see what the slightest repulsion from 7 am to 1 pm does. I guess you want to cause the slightest deflection to the orbit of the magnet on the end of your straw or stick to cause the slighest imbalance and let gravity do its thing on the other side. Maybe bismuth would work well enough to cause the deflection. Too much repulsion and I fear it would stall. I guess you could use a stop watch to see if the spin time increases. Its a starting point.

No worries man. I'm rather anxious to see one myself.

I plan to take it in steps with a time deadline for each. With the amount of info we have we should be able to replicate this in short order.

1.) Make the wheel spin continuously using the proposed magnetic movement.
2.) Minimize the amount of power necessary to keep the wheel moving respectably.
3. ) Attach a load (preferably  the electromag draw +) to the wheel.
4.) Try to make the wheel  support the energy draw of the electromags BY producing movement under load.
5.) Apply
6.) Lather
7.) Rinse
8.) Repeat as necessary.....or until I get fed up.

I don't care if he knows and is not telling me.
I don't care if he's lying and wasting my time.
I care about knowing and I'll only get that by trying.

I care about having fun ( that has a socially redeeming upside!).

Wait and see, or DIY posters.

I'll not post teasers, I'll post content. How often that will happen is anyones guess.

Materials:

1.) Cardboard disc 1' (.30 meter)
2.) Pin (But a new collared shirt and you get many of these.)
3.) Drinking straws
4.) 10 penny nails
5.) magnet wire
6.) Ne magnets of varying sizes and strengths
7.) q-tips or cocktail straws (for rods)
8.) AAA battery?

IF I get it turning @ a respectable RPM, I'll then make a belt/generator arrangement to see if I can support the electromags, and go from there.

As was said on another thread (Archer Quinn takes his ball and leaves the field), if he IS a angler and DOES use some of the proposed methods mentioned in that thread, he still will get kudos because I would have not done this if it weren't for him..........................................................

but I'm considering cutting out the donation part.

[DarkStar_DS9]

I plan to take it in steps with a time deadline for each. With the amount of info we have we should be able to replicate this in short order.

1.) Make the wheel spin continuously using the proposed magnetic movement.
2.) Minimize the amount of power necessary to keep the wheel moving respectably.
3. ) Attach a load (preferably  the electromag draw +) to the wheel.
4.) Try to make the wheel  support the energy draw of the electromags BY producing movement under load.

Thats exactly my approach too. The funny thing about electromagnets seems to be that you should be able to simply double the loops to get the same push/pull force with half the current required (since the resistance will double too) - which would mean that you can scale down on the required current for as long as you have enough copper (and space). But I am probably missing something here - this would also make it possible to build a BLDC-motor with large coils / low current requirement coupled to a generator... and if that would be possible, someone would have built it already.

As to Quinn: He does sound a little crazy sometimes, but so do many intelligent people. If they are successful, they are then called eccentric. I really don't like the way Quinn has been treated here (or on Engadget, which is how I heared of him), and I would have preferred to stay in touch with him and see what he comes up with - even if only to see how he reacts if his device fails to do what he thought it would do.

[g4macdad]

Hold the phone! I could have sworn he said that he already built this device. Is he now saying that he just has plans?

Although I agree that he should be judged on the results.

What was the point of lying about having built this device?

[Rise of Raven]

Does this have any bearing on what Archer was trying to explain? He said something about how a locomotive arm works


quote" AQ to raise the line of fulcrum beams, simply have percentage weight calculation, to a drive rod on a single wheel beside the last main weight, and use a basic locomotive arm that lifts all other, light ends or pushes down all other heavy end in one movement. to envisage the construction. do this

imagine you are the centre axel of the wheel, there is a rod at the back of you attached to the large weight, as this rod comes down, the wheel turns around you anti clockwise. now hold your arms out like locomotive arms in front of you. Now the end of your arms are fixed at the other end of the line. so now make the rod go down and the wheel turn. what happens is your elbows go up and down but the end stay in one place. so you now understand the motion. so if the end is fixed high the motion will simply bring you elbows up to one point, ( or the light ends to the top again)

unfortunately you will have to swap the end that the wheel is on, because you need the lift on the other end, not the side of the heavy weight. so you have to use a rope that goes along over the machine to the other end. so as the weight goes down it simply turns a pulley wheel at the other end and the locomotive arms are run from that side.

for those who think this has a bearing on weight, you would be correct if you do not compensate by adding the weight to the device to cover this, and additionally you will need to change the weight of the lighter end to move the fulcrum as before. the beauty is the increase is not part of cyclic balance issues, as the fulcrums are set weights and never alter position, so once countered, are never again affected.

for example, should you choose to add 100kg to you ton weight, and add the appropriate 10 kgs at the other for more power, you do not need to allow for the fulcrum locomotive again, remember the fulcrum when moved is always empty and always remains the same energy use, so once allowed for is good for whatever your weights are. now you can only increase a small percentage to end weights around 10 percent, due to the position of the fulcrum lever, to go to higher weights the lever will need to be longer. you will find this as you build anyway

[Rise of Raven]

I also feel a variable fulcrum is whats needed to make this thing work, so if you have a fixed fulcrum on a locomotive style arm that as it turns it will vary the level/height of the fulcrum on a 360 degree wheel which should allow for the easier movement of weights when using leverage at any point in a 360 degree circle? Or am I way off base here in trying to understand him?