Roll on the 20th June

[jfarmer408]

evening, morning, whichever it is for you.

Smokey, the closer the match the better, but you must have holes, not in the magnets, but if you set them on a larger surface that has holes (air pressure will kill you)

It seems the whole electromagnet part is difficult for most of you, but i did say you can do this with permanents, it is just difficult and easier at the same time.

Newtonian flaw number one. Never imagine the working machine and all of the components in your head and then try to build that or imagine that. instead build what you know is real, from what you have actually done before and do not use math ever!!!!

use trial and error system, or take a fulcrum off centre and add weights until it balances, Understand. i cannot give the same instruction to a million people all using different materials, so i will explain in a manner that makes you find what you need.

Ok, magnets are a source of energy yes or no?? if yes move on.

Ok, we all know about two magnets on a ring pole one suspending the other north facing north or south facing south yes or no??? if yes move on (if no to any answer ask someone on the site, each question on its own will be basic.)

so we understand that a rod on attached to the top magnet on this pole, (with suffienciently strong magnet of course) will also sit in the air yes or no?? if yes move on

if you tilt this to a 45 angle or 2 oclock this does not change yes or no??? if yes move on

if the base magnet is the outside of the wheel, and the upper magnet need to sit halfway betweeen it and where it is now for the rod to be centre of the wheel, the rod must be to the right yes or no?? if yes move on.

a magnet above this rod in an identical manner will assist this action yes or no??? if yes move on

the assistance depending on power may be distance of rod movement or extra weight bearing capacity yes or no if yes move on

noiw when a wheel turns with a magnet on the end of the arm, and it encounters a fixed magnet with the same polarity, you would think offhand it would reppel the magnet and rod fair to say?? yes or no?? if yes move on.

Now this does not actually happen because there is a wall, this is created by the side fields of the polarity itself and cannot under normal circumstances be breached true or false?? if true move on.

This is because if you increase the weight of the rod to have a powerful enough over rotation to break the field, the wieght is too great for the fields to lift and that component fails, it is circular, yes or no?? if yes move on.

the weight and speed are moot, the problem is power at the conatct point is eqaul to the "excess" weight, or in other words the difference in the weight now shifted, as a newtonian will tell you whatever the excess is, that is the only power down and back up.

so what is the trick??? change the rules.

any tube that is sloted can have an L shaped extension on the rod, "not" the arm, rotation is from the excess shift not heaveier arms, if the rod itself extends past the magnets with a simple right angle piece of stainless. what happens?

does the entire weight shift if connected to the rod?? yes or no?? if yes move on

if the extension piece now creates an over rotation of a heavier power than that equal to the point of the firing, is the weight which was weaker than the wall now greater than the wall??

well this is what most of you will not know and start resorting to math again.

let me save you the trouble. the weight or power of the wall barrier is now inside the circle not on the outside, and has little power by comparison. i will show you

take a fulcrum or wheel arm about 4 foot long centre at 2 feet and weight one end so you can just lift it from ground with your finger pushing down. now cut one foot off the end in the air and try to do it now. you can't, power is distance from the central axel point, the graeter the distance, the greater the power against the inner, now extend your arm to 3 feet and you are back to leverage, extending the arms will do nothing, but extending the lever whicjh is really all the rod is can break the wall.

and your machine is now complete.

wasn't really that hard was it??

Sorry about all the lessons guys, but if someone just comes out and says, hey i really am the smartest guy on the planet, and i built this, would you really have come this far, that you fully understood everything but this last detail???


WOW, doesn't that make building it a whole lot easier??

To get your wall weight simply add weight to one side until you break it and use that on the rods, you wont quite need it all, as you have shift of the other weight toward centre also when they are fitted.

Thanks Archer.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

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[DarkStar_DS9]

I just put the best mind bender on the build page

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[Singularity2035]

Archer's last post (on www.surphzup.com) was the following:

"For those who simply like physics, here is a mental gymnastics exercise, if you are not a physics buff, do not read this or it will wreck your head and take you off the path.

if you have a tube that is say 3 meters long, and you have a rod inside i meter long and at say 500mm or half a meter from each end there is a tag inside that prevents the rod from going past that point. Now add larges weights to each end of your rod, removing part of your rod to keep it at i meter in total.

now shake the rod or tip it back and forward, what do you have? you should have half a meter of travel on each side correct? very basic so far, now i need you to have roller bearings on the outside of the weights so there can be no jam point against the wall, still simple? yep.

ok now you have to have the outside welded to a pipe at right angles in the centre, so it now can have a pin through it and be a balance fulcrum, still simple yes?

ok now we start to get tricky, now you need to bend the outer pipe and the inner rod like a banana, (naturally once you understand the exercise you would simply have them rolled to this shape at the metal place when you bought it so they match perfectly)

so now you have the banana with ends up in the air, but it can only sit up on one side unless you tip it over by hand correct? now you need to have stops on the outside of the machine so it can only tilt around ten inches up or down on each side from centre now you need to have the centre of the rod encased in Styrofoam like surfboard foam, and fill the tube with water to the tag level.

and let it go, what will happen?, now remember the foam is capable of lifting both weights together, ok so the foam lifts the rod to the tag, but there is now more weight on one side of the rocker yes? because of the weights, so it tips over to the other side, but hang on??? now the foam will want to get back out the other way wont it?

actually no, because there is now more foam on one side, and the foam is the driver, so it will stay there wont it? oh hang on??? but the foam is now down and the water surface is up the other side yes??? no the water finds its own level, but the path of least resistance is still the curve up on the other side and with roller bearings you can't hold the foam down against the water buoyancy??

so will this rock back and forwards forever? just ensure the rods and weights are perfectly balanced outside the arc, because no rod can sit in a curve on bearings ever and balance centre.

Oh my fucking god, what is in this fucking Quinn?s head, how can one person take physics and turn it into a fucking pretzel???

Because  there is no spoon, there are no set laws to physics, there have only been what you had learnt about physics.

so will this rock back and forwards forever? Don't ask me? this planet is not big enough to build all the shit in my head.

you build it!!! that is a complete description, no such thing as perpetual motion?? oh fucking please, i said six ways from sunday, that is 3 mr newton.

Bet no newtonian on earth can even give you a math reason it wont rock!!! Fucking energy shares?? what are they worth again?? batteries charged to run electric or browns gas cars? what is oil worth again??"

[broli]

Archer, is there some reason you never make illustrations with your stories? It really helps if you make some illustrations once in a while like some have mentioned. What you're saying might make complete sense to you but it doesn't to others but a picture says much more.