I don't want to sound like a jerk...

[step1988]

but most of this stuff is laughable. Are there better ways to get energy, absolutaly, but overunity or even perpetual motion will never work. It's just a dream that everyone wishes were true, but alas cannot be.

[joegatt]

No!
An air-conditioner working in heating mode is an example of an effective and highly useful case of overunity. Note that when we say overunity we are refering to Coefficient Of Performance (COP), not to efficiency.  You can, for instance, get 9kW of heating by running a 3kW air-conditioner. This is not to say you are getting energy from nowhere. The heat pump is simply pumping heat from the outside into your air-conditioned space.

Overunity systems, therefore, use up some input energy to tap even more energy from a source which would otherwise not be easily available. Unfortunately there are many attempts which try to tap into Zero Point Energy. But, as mainstream science points out, no one seem to know how to do this effectively.

Perpetual motion, on the other hand, is virtualy impossible to achieve on the macroscopic scale because the slightest inefficiency in the system will eventually drain all the energy away.  Also, beyond pure scientific interest, there isn't much point in setting up a process from which you cannot obtain energy to do work.  We can simply witness perpetual motion in some highly specialized instances, like, for example, the current flowing in a superconducting coil magnet. Similarly, the motion of an electron around an atomic nucleus can also be regarded as a true case of perpetual motion.

Regards
Joseph

[Elvis Oswald]

Joe,

I'm afraid step is right.  You said yourself that the air conditioner is moving heated air into the space.  That air was heated by something.  This is not overunity.

Simply put - there is no 'overunity'.  Any energy used was created somewhere by something.

I am hoping this forum will become something helpful.  I thought at first it would be a great place to interact with people who have more experience and education than me.  But... most of the people here are too busy trying to back-engineer some device that hasn't even proven itself worthy of it.
So in a way - I agree with step.  But... I think as long as it's a post proposing an idea - even if it's shot down later - it's worthy.  What's not worthy are the posts that cause people to get obsessed on soemthing that doesn't work - just because they have a box and a bunch of wires.

Here's my example. 

Telsa powered a car with a box of wire and tubes.  He said he was amplifying energy from the atmosphere.  You see that power everytime the wind blows.
If I posted something about what kind of antenna you'd need (which I did) and tried to stimulate a conversation about what kind of oscillator and amplifier you'd need to produce power... I'd get no response (which I didn't)
BUT... if I put some small calculator batteries in a box and showed 60v on a voltmeter... and then teased everyone along with hints at resonating frequencies and vortex magnetic fields and bullshit like that... I'd have half this damn forum getting blisters on their tricorder finger from pressing keys on their HPs.

So yeah - it's not so hard to see that there is 98% bullshit here.  But not all bullshit is bad. Just the bullshit that consumes more time than it's worth.
Maybe the people who think their bullshit doesn't stink will soon figure out that they are standing in a pile of shit.  Then maybe they will learn to smell first.    If it smells like shit - you've only had to smell it.  We will sniff more this way and we will find the real shit sooner!

Peace!

[robur]

If you think this is all bulls**-then why are you still here?

[Elvis Oswald]

I didn't say it was all bullshit.  That's why.

And I also qualified myself by saying that all bullshit is not bad.

But... apparently - my colorful language has (again) caused a misunderstanding.

No one has invented free energy.  Right?  That's why most people should be here - to bounce ideas around and to present data for others to confirm.
That's why topics discussing a theory should be busy.  Someone say's "hey - what about this?"  and people reply with their own experiences... or theories why it would not work - or why it would work. That should develop - if warranted - into a working device... OR - it will simply not work at some point.

My main complaint was about the people who post to say they have a device that produces free energy, or overunity.
What's the point?
If you have it working - either post the complete plans... or just bring the device to market.