new? magnet/gravity motor

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
Yes I was about to say before someone else did that it wouldn't work because the repoltion would be to strong, there is a way you can use the Trigate with a gravity design and thats if you have 8 arms and a weight on each arm except one, the weight will be the Trigates roller magnet, you have the Trigate setup from 11 to 12:30 when a arm gets to 11 it drops a roller off the roller moves along to 12:30 and drops onto the arm that had no roller the moves the arm down to 1 and the opposite arm up to 11 where it drops the next roller onto the Trigate and the system starts again, its only moving from 12 to 1 every turn but its moving and should keep moving aslong as there is no magnetic interfearance.
Take Care All
Graham

[sm0ky2]

if i understood what he was saying....

the strength/distance of the stator magnets would be such that is was strong enough to 'slide' the magnet towards the outside of the arm, but not strong enough to pull the mass of the wheel to a stop.

the shielding was not so much to prevent repulsion/attraction, but rather to direct that repulsion + attraction along the radial-line of the 'arm'. offsetting the balance of the wheel, while allowing gravity to pull the wheel in the direction of rotation

[2b]

> you've sold me on the idea....  i don't see any 'obvious' problems here, and im willing to give it a try. seeing as we've hit a "dead end" on the Tri-Force experiments, and there's not really anything new to work on at the moment....

wow - great.  i am an aeronautical engineer - not that it applies much, but i will try to be helpful if possible.  i have some magnets - but not cylinders, and i don't use credit cards, and i am dealing with other things right now, so it is a project on hold for me right now, but i will offer whatever support i can, and i will try to clarify the forces involved in case it helps.

[sm0ky2]

Hi All
Yes I was about to say before someone else did that it wouldn't work because the repoltion would be to strong, there is a way you can use the Trigate with a gravity design and thats if you have 8 arms and a weight on each arm except one, the weight will be the Trigates roller magnet, you have the Trigate setup from 11 to 12:30 when a arm gets to 11 it drops a roller off the roller moves along to 12:30 and drops onto the arm that had no roller the moves the arm down to 1 and the opposite arm up to 11 where it drops the next roller onto the Trigate and the system starts again, its only moving from 12 to 1 every turn but its moving and should keep moving aslong as there is no magnetic interfearance.
Take Care All
Graham

graham, i can picture this in my head.  WoW! if only we had discovered the Tri-Force BEFORE the chas campbell wheel, seems like this could have been the 'missing' component...

You should visit that thread and get an idea for his wheel design - its pretty much what you described - minus the tri-gate. it didnt work of course,. but it also didnt have a magnetic gate-array helping it along..

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi sm0ky2
I just can't see how it would get past the repelling magnet,ofcause you know balanced magnets cancel each other out so if the attraction was equel to the repultion both top and bottom magnets will come together but in this case there not equel because both magnets on the arms are down so the repultion comming in is at its strongest and the attraction comming in is at its weakest, as I see it both magnets would have to be lifted before they get to the repelling magnet stage and this would give you stonger attraction but then you have the draw back by the attracting magnet being at its strongest comming out holding the arm up.
I agree with you sm0ky2 in the case of 20th june, how can you move a weight from 7 to 1 with out using more energy, well there is one way I can think of and thats using some gas lighter the air, you have two containers on a rotating arm one full the other empty the full one will drop to the bottom of the rotation, you open a valve that lets the gas run through a tube up to the top container this makes the top one heavier and the rotor rotates half a turn as long as you close the valve once the top ones full, the you open the valve again the the process starts again, if you had a system that opens and shuts the valve at the right time I can't see how it wouldn't work but I think it would be very slow.
I have also did some tests on comming up into my Trigate and found for the Trigate system to work as a gravity wheel like I said in my last post you have to set the gate up so the last magnet comming in is at 9 and the last one going out is at 3 this means the magnets moving up to 11 will start attracting in at 9 and the magnets going out will be repelling from 1 to 3, this means no repel back comming in and no draw back going out, also with the attract in you maybe able to level out the track and drop the magnet off at 1 instead of 12:30 meaning no movment uphill.
Sorry I went on a bit Take Care All
Graham