David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[Kator01]

Hi Dbowling,

this is exaclty like dead batteries behave. I have regenerated maybe 100 lead-acid batteries "saved" from our local dump by a halfwave-puls-circuit directly connected to my 230 Volt-grid in series to an incandescant bulb ( 10 Watt ).
I could very quickly find out if this battery wil come to life again. If the bulb remained dark for 1 hour ( no AC-pulsed-current was flowing ) the inner resitance remained high but voltage was rising up to 14 or even 16 Volt but it cound not maintain this level very long. So we are speaking here about the same thing.

@groundloop : I have studied supercaps in depth. I was buying the first supercaps I could get my hands on way back in 1999 and got very good specs at that time .  It is a double layer but not a electro-chemical-strorage-process, as you certainly know and can not be compared to lead-batteries. The supercaps have a very large ESR and this is the reason I was using them because the effect - especially the heat-dissipation at the inner lead-junctions - can be observed more clearly by fast loss of energy.

I continued my measurements today and all I see is proof of what  I had described earlier. Motor is not running any longer, both cap-systems - the two in series and cap3 have now identical voltage-level, however they get drained continuously at an equal pace which is in accordance with the physical law that no two devices - even if I measure the exact same voltage-level in both cap-systems - doe actually have the same level. Even the smallest difference which must occur leads to a small discharge-current to the other system until this system reaches a super-small voltage-difference higher and here we go again but this time the current is flowing the other way around. So this back and forth - flow in my setup  is very small and must be recorded with different means. In your setup you have bigger currents and observe a very slow pulsation between these two systems and this reflects itself in periods of activation and rest of your motor. You should observe with each cycle a clock- and then a counter-clockwise rotation.

As user XEE was stating - along with his charge-discharge diagramm - there is no energy-gain. It just takes may be a few months until the system comes to an equilibrium.

But anyway there is always somthing to learn with this setup here - at least it was for me.
I am finished with this one. Will move to other things.

Best Regards

Kator01

[AbbaRue]

One very interesting point I have learned from this thread is about a battery differing from a capacitor.
A discharged battery has a high resistance whereas a discharged capacitor has a very low resistance.
Maybe this principle could be utilized in some way. 
Also considering using a battery capacitor combo could yield some interesting results.
Place a charge into a battery then switch it to discharge into a capacitor, then back to the source to repeat it again.

If a dead battery is important to this setup because it charges and discharges quickly,
and has a high internal resistance then I have an idea.

Make a very small 12 volt battery of your own that charges and discharged very quickly.
You could make a simple rechargeable battery from nickel and iron seperated with a fabric soaked in potassium hydroxide.
Or 2 lead plates separated with a fabric soaked in alum may even work.
If someone has a dead car battery hanging around they could very carefully remove a few of the plates to make one.
If you used just 2 plates per cell this would make a battery that charges and discharges very quickly.

Maybe try using 10 AAA rechargeable batteries to get 12.5 Volts. They should charge and discharge quickly.

One theory I've read is that the excess energy is coming from the motor brushes as they slowly burn away.
If this is the case then the ideal motor for this would be one that has been modified to use 2 spring loaded carbon brushes.
Then as the brushes burn away the spring keeps feeding the carbon brushes into the motor.
The motor can be a very low power motor, it just needs to keep spinning to produce the carbon arc.
A fly wheel would store the energy so it needs very little power to keep it going.

Which brings us back to tapping power from a spark gap.  Which is probably what this is.
And the dead battery with its high internal resistance aids in doing so.

[gotoluc]

Hi Dbowling,

I just noticed your topic and obviously find it very interesting. I also see that Groundloop is here and doing his best in helping as usual.

Thank you for sharing and Groundloop and others trying to replicate the effect you have found. I'm away from home for a couple of weeks but I will also try a replication once I get back home.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[slayer007]

I wounder if you could use a compositor insteed of a dead battery and just keep a load on the compositor.
Maybe run the inverter off it or charge another battery thats not really dead.

[Anothertruthfinder]

Hi all,  still setting up the experiment scene for daves replication or as close as i can get it at least, i'm currently trying to kill this battery still and ive shorted it and some more and it still keeps conducting my load straight away but i'll keep trying - does anybody know a aure way to get my battery like daves and the others? i'm not sure i'm doing it right or efficiently - non conductive with the motor initially and dead as a dodo?
any help would be great to helping me help toward the cause - thanks,

eel