David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[Dbowling]

Guys,
I am not concerned simply because not only have I been running this thing for five years, but I have done many test runs where I DIDN'T have an issue with correct measurements of the amp draw. Not only that, but I have a friend who has a battery analyzer that costs way more than I can afford, and he has done runs of HIS 3BGS setup and checked the batteries. And I know what those results were. So the fact that the data was messed up on one test really doesn't concern me. I was very excited about the data, but I still have faith in this system. Anyone who has built the original 3BGS and gotten the right "bad" third battery  (you can go through a LOT before you do!!) will tell you that until that 3rd battery begins to take a charge, you can pull almost unlimited energy out of this system. If you can balance the load on the motor with the load on battery three, you can stretch that time out, but eventually it comes to an end. Sometimes it will last for minutes. Sometimes a day or even a couple weeks. But it always ends when that bad battery begins to charge up. We have Fixed more bad batteries than I care to count. Balancing the load on the motor with the load on battery three was the other big problem with the system. It was extremely difficult to do.


We have a new, modified 3BGS setup that actually uses 5 batteries instead of three, like the original, and I have only tested it in short runs. I did over a dozen runs of from 30 to 60 minutes, without recharging the primaries.Because of their length, they are inconclusive. Although, every time the ending voltage in the primaries was higher than the start voltage. The two LONG runs I did of this new system are the ones that I got inaccurate data from. The best part about the new system is it is easy to keep in balance, and the bad batteries don't seem to take a charge for a really long time, although if you let it get out of balance, "POW", bad battery restored and primaries drop in voltage. So it is looking like our two major issues may be solved. With the old setup I might get one run out of thirty where I could get charging on the primaries, With this new setup, I get it EVERY time. So I am VERY excited.


I have an issue with the connection between the motor and the generator on my current setup, and I have just wound four coils for the generator, which up to now was just a dead weight load on the motor that served no purpose. Tomorrow I will attempt to fix the shaft issue. If I get that done, I will be ready to do a long run of the setup on Monday when I can be around to watch it all day long. The batteries SHOULD be conditioned by then and ready to go. I will be buying four new meters at Harbor Freight first thing on Monday also, as well as a battery analyzer. They have one on sale for $60 that will measure the cold cranking amps of the battery as it sits. I believe that should tell you what you want to know.


Dave

[markdansie]

@ David
1. You inspire a lot of confidence knowing your instrumentation is coming from Harbor Freight.
2. Many years ago I reconditioned hundreds of batteries for people with small solar systems. We would get the traded in batteries from auto shops and i used a very expensive pulse charger system to rejuvenate them (some were like new when we finished). We also re conditioned the existing deep cell batteries they had. So i believe you when you say you have fixed so many batteries.
3. You had to go through many batteries for the third battery before you find the right one...Why? What property differentiates that battery from others, you may then have a key to understanding whats going on.


All the best I will not bother here anymore, I am happy you have passion about what you are doing and enjoy the journey.
Kind Regards


PS as far as any excess energy other than from whats coming from the battery...BS, and you do not have the data , methodologies to support that you do.

[Hoppy]

@ David
1. You inspire a lot of confidence knowing your instrumentation is coming from Harbor Freight.
2. Many years ago I reconditioned hundreds of batteries for people with small solar systems. We would get the traded in batteries from auto shops and i used a very expensive pulse charger system to rejuvenate them (some were like new when we finished). We also re conditioned the existing deep cell batteries they had. So i believe you when you say you have fixed so many batteries.
3. You had to go through many batteries for the third battery before you find the right one...Why? What property differentiates that battery from others, you may then have a key to understanding whats going on.


All the best I will not bother here anymore, I am happy you have passion about what you are doing and enjoy the journey.
Kind Regards


PS as far as any excess energy other than from whats coming from the battery...BS, and you do not have the data , methodologies to support that you do.

David,

Just make sure you don't fool yourself with innacurate data and continue to have fun.

With regards to the scooter motors, be aware that many of the used ones are defective. I have repaired dozens of speed controllers for a local retailer who imported rubbish scooters from China. In many cases, when the motors of the model that you are using were stripped-down, they were found to have burnt windings and did not run as freely as they should have. My advice therefore is not to use secondhand motors!

[Dbowling]

markdansie,


You still aren't understanding me. Whether the meter I use is a $5,000.00 meter or a toy from Radio Shack doesn't matter. A meter is just a tool to help give me information. What maters is results.


Wil my setup run a known load of significance (for instance the motor I have that is pulling 2.5 watts of power) for MANY times longer than is possible when you look at the POSSIBLE amp hours of run time on the five batteries used in the system. I have 69 POSSIBLE amp hours of power, so my motor should be able to run it for 33.6 hours under PERFECT conditions. Now if I can run it for 66 hours or 99 hours and the primaries are still full, I believe I have something. But I am not going to stop there. I am just going to let it run until it stops running, and we will see. I DO need an accurate meter to measure the amps being consumed by the motor, but give me a break, do you really think the amp reading is going to be so far off that my results will be THAT tainted just because I used a meter from Harbor Freight?

[Dbowling]

Hoppy,


I just found out the hard way about those Razor Scooter motors. There are so many "knock offs" out there that like like them and you can't tell the difference because so many different company make that same motor. I am USUALLY rewinding them anyway, to build different configurations of pulse motors, but this ONE time I was trying to run the off the shelf motor and it blew up in my face. (Not literally)


Dave