David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[SeaMonkey]

That is a reasonable and good plan Dave.
Steps 1 (!) and 5 are especially important.

Hopefully, the results of your test will
provide some concrete evidence or clues
about what may be taking place.

[Hoppy]

OK Guys, here is the test I am going to run. If this is not adequate, speak now or forever hold your peace because I am not going to spend all my time jumping through hoops for people who won't even take the time to build this and see for themselves.


!. Measure the specific gravity of every cell in every battery in the setup
2. Measure the voltages on all the batteries with my scope
3. Measure the output of the inverter through a kilowatt meter to a known load (from 17-30 watts depending on what I need to balance my motor running my generator)
4. Measure the output of the generator through a full wave bridge and a voltage regulator to some 12 volt lights in terms of amps and voltage produced over time
5. Measure the specific gravity of all cells in all batteries at the end of the run and the voltages of all batteries as well.


It is my contention that 3 and 4 above are all gravy as long as the specific gravity in the primaries has remained level or increased and the specific gravity in all other batteries has remained level or increased. Does that about do it? Please let me know before I start this. Probably won't start until tomorrow morning as I have a couple things till to do before I am ready to run. And I will only be doing a 10 hour run as my wife objects to the noise of the motor running right under us.
Next week, however, I plan on moving this setup out to my pool room, which is a converted garage separate from the house, and letting it run for a few days just to see what happens. UPDATE: Will probably be a little later than that, since I didn't get everything done I needed to do today. Could not find my tap and die set, which necessitated a run to the auto parts store I had not anticipated and I lost hours I needed. But if all goes well in the morning I ail still fire it up SOMETIME tomorrow. If not, then Friday. I will be pout of town for a four day weekend, so I am really shooting for tomorrow sometime.


Dave

David,

No need to rush this. You need to decide on how to set this up for the 3BGS and how you will interpret the results.  There are many variables, so it is difficult to set up a control group to compare results against and to be honest after much thought, I don't think that there is a practical way of showing beyond any reasonable doubt that the 3BGS does or does not gain 'free' energy from an external source. However, by carefully recording start and finish of the three battery SG levels, it should be possible to determine how much capacity has been lost from the 'good' batteries and gained by the 'bad' battery over the course of a test run. If the test is repeated with the 'good' batteries in various states of charge, it should also be possible to get a better picture of system performance over a realistic portion of their discharge curves. More importantly, it should give a better idea as to whether this system has any practical application, given the control measures that are currently needed to be carried out manually to 'balance' the system. In an ideal situation, if excess energy were entering the system big time, then the system SG losses and gains should I think at least balance.

[Farmhand]

Good points raised Farmhand. Yes, many so called 'dead' batteries that end up scrapped have become badly sulfated (stratified) due to not being fully charged after each cycle of use but can still hold a considerable charge. These will eventually spring to life (some a lot quicker than others) when the internal resistance has fallen enough to supply sufficient current to the series connected motor and start it turning. As David has found out, when this happens, they start to take a charge, which results in the the two 'good' batteries draining down over time. With a heavy enough load across the 'bad' battery, the 'good' batteries can sometimes be seen to rise in potential for a period of time. This is whilst their internal resistance is adjusting to the load. It is during this period (which can be lengthy) when load balancing can prolong this effect and really heavy loads like inverters can be hooked-up, without the terminal voltage of the 'good batteries' appearing to drop! However, SG readings before and after these heavy loaded runs will reveal that the 'good' batteries have lost charge proportional to the load applied. I hope that David will see this effect for what it really is - a battery vagary - when he starts to take proper measurements under a realistic test procedure.

Yes Hoppy, In the Tesla Switch thread at EF I posted a number of somewhat complicated "Tesla Switch" type arrangements, mostly involving the use of transformers or inverters employing a "switch Back" type of "Dual Entwined, Two-four phase"  kind of principal, like two - three battery "switch setups" but out of phase using only four batteries.  . I ought to be able to post a pic of one of those and someone might like to use some part of the idea, and anyone is welcome to. It's open. 

It is an interesting area to experiment in and I do wish Dave and the guys well with their research. I also respect that Dave is 100% genuine.

Cheers

P.S. I do apologize for not producing drawings as yet, a recent rearrangement of files is making finding some things difficult.

[Farmhand]

Below is some diagrams I made, the colored arrows (triangles) after a diode is a flyback output and a colored arrow facing a wire is the corresponding input. Dashed lines represent power currents, the colored sections of the torus represent the primary coils, and the setup would have a secondary constituting a transformer or inverter. It could be however many phases. I've a few drawing but I'll just post the one and the sketch. 

The sketch is of how a motor could be run from caps in a similar way to the video contraption I posted.    Disregarding the silly way I drew the motor itself, the power part and potential difference is the point to it. 

And for good measure a Brandt Switch drawing.

[Dbowling]

Hoppy,
There is definitely a way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this thing puts out way more energy than is contained in the primary batteries. Just start it up and let it continue to run. The motor pulls just over two amps and may pull more with coils on the generator. I'll find that out today. At some point, if the thing runs for days, people are going to have to admit that the power to keep that motor running is coming from somewhere other than the batteries. Especially when I will be running somewhere between 18 and 50 watts off the inverter at the same time. How long would it have to run to convince YOU??


Dave