David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[tinman]

The fail was you characterizing the draw from the inverter in the form of a train of current spikes as being "inductive" as well as not properly measuring them.  The only thing people have right now is a next-to-useless aliasing pattern that "proves that the spikes exist."

There is a lot of baggage in that reply.  I simply offered up my own unique and independently thought out possible explanation for why battery A discharges before battery B.  I rejected your explanation which doesn't even make sense and put forth a possible explanation myself that had no relation to your "explanation."  And I crunched some numbers to see if at least there is some merit to my possible explanation and there is.  People are free to run with that and do tests and experiments to see if it is true or not.  I can think of all sorts of measurements that could be done with a DSO to investigate this theory as well as some simple bench tests to see if it has merit.

I would think that anybody reading your posting would be just as surprised as me about your crazy allegations.

MileHigh

Well you have had your say,and we'll all keep that in mind.


Brad

[a.king21]

Just to clarify, with that original setup I had two batteries in series with a motor between them and the single battery in parallel. Splitting the positives. The inverter was connected to battery 3 in the traditional manner, and I ran loads on the inverter.


That setup ran loads 24/7 for several weeks.


I have spent 8 years of my life trying to replicate what that system was capable of, and have never been successful. That particular battery exhibited behavior I have never seen in any other battery


My original description stated that when I hooked up just the three batteries and the motor, nothing happened and my buddy and I kind of walked away and were talking about things for about 10-15 minutes when the motor suddenly started. We only had one meter so we were measuring the voltage across battery 3. It would show 24 volts. It would go down to about 18 volts and the motor would start running. The voltage across battery 3 would continue to go down to around 7 volts and the motor would stop running. The voltage on battery 3 would immediately jump to 24 volts, and the cycle would repeat itself over and over. My assumption at the time was that I needed to keep battery 3 from charging, so I connected the inverter to it and began hooking up loads. It was a 350 watt inverter and I plugged in as many loads to it as I could until it began beeping and the red light went off. I ran it for several weeks before loading it all in a suitcase to take to California to see a patent attorney. It never worked again. Karma, obviously.
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Why is the original setup not being discussed???

[A_Giggle_For_Chaos]

The original was a trick of chemistry. Basically to replicate it you would have to find that particular set of circumstances that lead that battery to its dead state. We have tried many dead batteries in a futile attempt to replicate it. David has pallets of them and I used to and gave up. Plus a better part of the small community at energetic forums. He got it at a junk yard, who knows how old it was. He added water to it but it was agm battery.

Talk about finding a needle in a haystack.

But the good news we have seen really close to the same effect with new batteries. It actually has more to do with charging impedance forcing situation in which the ground side current charges the 2 serial batteries. DC is a LOOP. You can create an asymmetrical reaction that carries power through that entire loop.  We are currently working on just that at energetic forums. http://www.energeticforum.com/289423-post1072.html.

So basically what can happen is after the charge battery is literally full you can change the potential between the positive poles that is then emulated on the ground side forcing a change in potential on the serial batteries at the same time you are asking for more power out the positive side.  Your constantly replacing the power in the serial batteries that you are using to run loads.
Now that doesn't reduce all loss but it makes for incredibly long runs before the batteries have to be rotated or charged.

I'm not going to get into an argument about it. I have already seen the effect and I am reasonably sure in can be replicated and proven. Oscilloscope Current meters can easily see the effect once in place. Finding the right ratio to battery size for both loads and boost is the project at hand.

Hope you guys join in.

Matthew Jones

[MileHigh]

I offer up a possible explanation for the mystery of why battery A discharges before battery B, something that I think some of you have been puzzling over for years.

And nobody has anything to say?

[tinman]

The original was a trick of chemistry. Basically to replicate it you would have to find that particular set of circumstances that lead that battery to its dead state. We have tried many dead batteries in a futile attempt to replicate it. David has pallets of them and I used to and gave up. Plus a better part of the small community at energetic forums. He got it at a junk yard, who knows how old it was. He added water to it but it was agm battery.

Talk about finding a needle in a haystack.

But the good news we have seen really close to the same effect with new batteries. It actually has more to do with charging impedance forcing situation in which the ground side current charges the 2 serial batteries. DC is a LOOP. You can create an asymmetrical reaction that carries power through that entire loop.  We are currently working on just that at energetic forums. http://www.energeticforum.com/289423-post1072.html.

So basically what can happen is after the charge battery is literally full you can change the potential between the positive poles that is then emulated on the ground side forcing a change in potential on the serial batteries at the same time you are asking for more power out the positive side.  Your constantly replacing the power in the serial batteries that you are using to run loads.
Now that doesn't reduce all loss but it makes for incredibly long runs before the batteries have to be rotated or charged.

I'm not going to get into an argument about it. I have already seen the effect and I am reasonably sure in can be replicated and proven. Oscilloscope Current meters can easily see the effect once in place. Finding the right ratio to battery size for both loads and boost is the project at hand.

Hope you guys join in.

Matthew Jones

Im still working on the system-long runs now.
I will not be joining anyone at energetic,as i wish to have nothing to do with the fraudsters that run the forum--thieving  money from those that know no better.


Brad