David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[tinman]

The good news is that the fellows are seeing much longer run times than have been publicly presented thus far[in this new thread at EF] ,and a much bolder and simpler method to see these extended run times  will be shared .
even parts and such are being offered by the fellows [to Luc for testing]

if they can get their thread back over there??


it will be good to finally understand what is happening here ,I believe this next method will finally put this into a very clear perspective.

Oh let me guess--BroMonkey is on the loose again.

it will be good to finally understand what is happening here ,I believe this next method will finally put this into a very clear perspective.

Cool
And then it's on to that other one you were talking about Chet?,---Thats the one im waiting for.
Might even build me one of them 


Brad

[SeaMonkey]

Originally Posted by Turion

What if the thing that makes this work is NOT a potential difference between the higher voltage in the source batteries and the lower voltage in the bad batteries, but a potential difference between "positive charged batteries" and "negative charged batteries." Think about that for just a minute.

After all, I know for a fact, and so do many of you, that the bad battery actually flips polarity. and WHILE IT IS FLIPPED, that is when the magic happens. Now, that means that perhaps if we could get a battery to STAY flipped, we could run this thing forever. And maybe a lower voltage bad battery has a greater potential difference than a higher voltage bad battery (when they flip polarity) in relation to the two fully charged good batteries

So lets talk about that for a minute. OBVIOUSLY there is a source of reversed or negative energy hitting that bad battery that causes it to flip, but once it does there is also a source of energy that is great enough to get it to flip BACK to the original. What if those two sources of energy could be isolated from each other and/or isolated from the bad battery? If it is the motor that causes the battery to flip, then we need a different circuit when that happens. Maybe we run it off one bad battery until it flips negative and keep it running there, but the minute it flips positive again, we switch to a second bad battery. Something like that. Alternating between the two.

I have had a battery hooked up to a motor as generator for four days now, trying to create a negative transducer.  It reads just short of -12 volts, but as soon as I disconnect the motor, the negative voltage in the battery starts dropping. Why is that? What makes that battery WANT to go positive, and where does that energy go that is showing up as almost -12 volts in the battery right now?  It seems to want to settle at about -7 volts, and I can't get it to go any higher than about -11.78 on the negative side.

Dave

I'd seen some talk of "battery flipping" in discussion of this
Continuous Charging Device (3 Battery Generating System)
but have no idea what it actually refers to.  Has anyone
experienced such "battery flipping" in addition to Dave?
Can anyone explain what "battery flipping"  is all about and
how one knows whether a battery has "flipped?"

[sm0ky2]

Only certain batteries can do that.
One kind are manufactured without a polarity
And charged by the distribution company that packages it.
This is when they do, they label it on their wrapper.
These cells often have no physical distinction of which end is which.


another is a carbon/zinc battery
The casing is made of zinc, carbon rod inside,
And a zinc-chloride electrolyte that deposits its zinc back onto the casing
Instead of on the carbon rod.


I think they usually say not to recharge them.
Which, while you Can, will often cause leaks and crust up your battery holder
They also don't shelf long while charged. They make themselves leak
And the charge will form tiny zinc-bridges in the chloride solution
Shorting then from the inside over time. So you often buy these and they don't work.


can you charge these positronically?
Yes, and from an electrical perspective with our one-sided meters,
It would show a potential + on the - end of the battery.
Science would try to label that as some kind of "hole" electrons like to jump into.
I can those Positrons.


They are mathematically the same.


A battery has a potential because of a particular electrochemical condition.
Generally a chemical reaction takes place, and destroys one of the electrodes.
But some actually store the potential in the electrolyte itself.
At which point the electrodes define the polarity.
We have a chart of which ones are + and which ones are -
And for the most part the metals follow certain rules, and we know what to expect.
But in the case of anode/cathode neutrality, or when we exceed electrical constants for the
materials involved, + and - are simply a condition of the electrodes.
If you completely drain it (left shorted for a long time)
the battery has to follow the laws of material physics,
it's whatever polarity we make it be.


Volta actually talked about it way before we were all born.
He's The Godfather of battery's. The guys house looked like an Everready factory.
Well, maybe more like a mad scientist lab, he had batteries made of every
chemical you could get your hands on in the 1800s
but he gets 1 line of mention in history, kind of like that other guy,
That invented almost everything we use today.


Anyways Volta discovered that
Certain acid solutions, if connected in reverse to other piles (batteries)
periodically, would repair the anode




Not only making the pile usable again, but he noted the potential from the opposite direction
When a 270-pile was left on it overnight. (his normal ones were 1/10th the size)




He actually invented the first rechargeable batteries, (and flipped them?)
but like most of our old knowledge is so
buried under the nonsense we think we know, that we forget. And someone else invents it again
and takes credit for it.
Like this guy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Planté




Volta also discovered Methane, and invented the internal combustion engine.
(and electrical ignition)
And the capacitor

[sm0ky2]

What does this have to do with Dave's device?


Well the particular batteries he is using
Are leadsulfide electrodes
And water.
(To flip these you have to completely drain them,
Converting 100% of the H2SO4 back into water.)
Don't do the little timmy test!




Pick a plate and charge it, one of the electrodes
will then dump it's SO4 into the water and make sulfuric acid.


The two primary distinctions between the two he tells us to use
FLA's are mil-spec, their voltage drops off at 50% discharge.
They make them all suck consistently, so we don't have our
Air Force pilots crashing from unexpected battery life.


Fiberglass Matt LA's run at most of their voltage for about 80%
of their charge.
They last longer in general, but they come with inconsistent life.
Some will naturally hold more charge than others, and even
from charge to charge may be inconsistent in the same battery.


If this were what he was doing, wouldn't that just put 3 batteries
in series with the motor?


The more likely scenario is the motor is running on the potential difference
between 24 vs 12
Which is just like running it with one battery
The other battery is charging from the same potential.
The motor should run about twice as long,
And the two batteries will be drained, leaving us with
One battery mostly charged.


Now of course you can do all sorts of tricks during this time
like switching the batteries around, depleting and charging
And eventually all 3 will be PbSO4 and water (dead)

[Magluvin]

Being lead acid batteries have lead electrodes for pos and neg, is one different than the other only by way of charge direction from the start? Like you can get motorcycle batteries without electrolyte, and they have voltage when it is filled, so one of the electrodes must have been pre treated before assy.

Will have to look that up.

Mags