David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[Dbowling]

I have no excessive emotional attachment to beliefs. I have emotional attachment to FACTS. This has been tested. It works. I saw NO test results from TinMan, only a statement which is his opinion. How did his opinion become fact?


Put four batteries in parallel and run a brushed dc motor for as long is it will run. Then take the same four batteries and run the motor using this system, rotating the batteries, and see how long it will run. Simple test. Any child can do it. THEN tell me I am wrong. Or don't.

[SeaMonkey]

Put four batteries in parallel and run a brushed dc motor for as long is it will run. Then take the same four batteries and run the motor using this system, rotating the batteries, and see how long it will run. Simple test. Any child can do it. THEN tell me I am wrong. Or don't.

There is a logical explanation why this is so;
that a system which utilizes a portion of the
expended total energy to partially re-charge
the system will exhibit an extended "run
time."  This principle has been known for many
years.

What is wrong about your explanation (or belief)
is that you've not fully evaluated and understood
how the energy is expended and retained as the
discharge/charge takes place simultaneously.

Are you in fact obtaining free energy?

Is this in fact a demonstration of over-unity?

In a word "No."  Not yet.  Perform an exhaustive
and complete analysis of the complete "loop"
and you'll see why.

Or not.  Seeing "why not" may take some time
unless your mind is "open."

Beginners frequently come to erroneous conclusions.

As you acquire experience and comprehension you
will one day discover where you've erred.  If, that
is, you are seriously pursuing truth.

What appears to be "excess energy" in your device
may simply be that Lead Acid Batteries initially
increase in their capacity by up to 30% during their
initial charge/discharge cycling.  This is due to the
physical construction of the cells and the chemical
process of increasing the quantity of active plate
material early in the life of the batteries.

This characteristic is purposely engineered within the
batteries and is desirable in that it extends the useful
life of the battery before it begins its gradual loss of
capacity.

Lead Acid Batteries are remarkable devices themselves.
They seem to have mysterious and almost magical
properties.  They are built that way...

[nelsonrochaa]

I have no excessive emotional attachment to beliefs. I have emotional attachment to FACTS. This has been tested. It works. I saw NO test results from TinMan, only a statement which is his opinion. How did his opinion become fact?


Put four batteries in parallel and run a brushed dc motor for as long is it will run. Then take the same four batteries and run the motor using this system, rotating the batteries, and see how long it will run. Simple test. Any child can do it. THEN tell me I am wrong. Or don't.

Hi Dbowling,


the best solution to see how efficient is the circuit you run actually , is you replace the batteries by supercaps modules of 12,5v previous charged and make exactly the same test that you made , in that way the the "excuse"  about the battery "limitations" in measures will dissipate and you will able to measure with more precision the values  . Is only a ideia to help you have more clearly data , in that way no one will use the argument about  batteries  " mysterious and with almost magical properties".

Good work

 

[TinselKoala]

What it WILL do, as part of a system, is run the heck out of a small motor which can be used to run a generator that puts out MANY TIMES what is needed to maintain the system. The output of that generator can be used as the high side of an even BIGGER potential based system to run a bigger motor and generator and the output of that generator as the high side of a BIGGER system.......until you are running the country on the five batteries on the bench in my garage. If you build it on a very SMALL SCALE and then try to build a potential based system to run off the generated power, you would see what I mean. I NEVER in my life thought I would be worried about producing TOO MUCH power from a system, but that's where this goes rather quickly. And high voltages make me very, very nervous.

Bullshit. Let's see your last six months of your home electricity bill.

[tinman]

 author=Dbowling link=topic=4612.msg485932#msg485932 date=1465310082]

You ask a question and when I answer it, you tell me I am wrong.
This is why I will no longer waste my time coming here.
You did not want my answer. All you wanted was an opportunity to tell me I am wrong.
Well, you got it, but after today you won't get any more chances.

I am here to present the truth,and the way i can do that,is by experimenting with the very same circuit you have presented here--which i have.

I will not waste my time arguing with someone who has a closed mind because of what they "believe" and will not take the time to build the system and do the PROPER testing you are so committed to but have obviously NOT done.

That is where you are wrong-on two accounts.
I have built and tested this very setup years ago,but with a higher degree of energy analysis.
I can assure you that i am far from having a closed mind.

I have spent 8 years of my life working with potential differences.
I have spent thousands of dollars and run thousands of tests.
I have ruined a hundred batteries running batteries in circuits that did not provide enough energy across the potential to properly charge the low side. Many of those are in my "dead battery bank", but some have been turned in for core charges.
I have paid for lab time at the university to use their battery analyzer to do controlled measurements of inputs and outputs. Tests that are far more accurate than a "pacific gravity" test. And by the way, it is a "SPECIFIC" gravity test, not "pacific". I have done that too. Have YOU? I didn't think so.
I know what I know.

A potential difference is just that-a difference between two points.
Have i done pacific gravity tests before and after?--yes of course-and more. I also carried out both digital and analog load tests before and after a test.
Why have you got so many dead batteries?.

Have you actually built this circuit and put a scope on it?

Yes

Because when you tune the boost module, you can select the voltage that hits the battery on the other side of the load and it is hit with 14.5 volts. Period. The motor will actually put out 14.5 out the other side, or MORE,  WITHOUT a boost converter in the mix because it acts as a generator at the same time it is running as a motor, and run between the potentials that generated voltage comes out in a way that does NOT happen in a normal situation.

As i said,voltage is not power,and some of the spikes from the motor could reach in excess of 100 volts.

You can choose to BELIEVE what you WANT to BELIEVE and I will choose to KNOW what I KNOW. Yes, I AM encouraging people to build the ENTIRE system I spoke of above, because I know that AS A SYSTEM it works. I have it sitting on the bench in my shop and it produces free energy. Is the specific circuit BY ITSELF COP>1?  Yes it is. But that is NOT enough to get people where they want to be. I am NOT saying that it is. You only recover about 80-90% of what is run through the system, but do you have any idea what that works out to when coupled with an efficient generator?

Yes,the more load you place on the generator,the less you recover in the system.

But you win Brad.
I will go away now
Another victory for those with a closed mind

It is not a matter of winning or loosing,it's a mater of defining fact from fiction.
As i said,i do not have a closed mind-not in the least.
In fact,i am willing to spend the time and money to replicate your circuit,and carry out those accurate measurements if you wish-->i am happy to do so.

And do you know WHY I am giving in so easy? Because YOU are not important,

To most of the people on this forum,i would say that you are correct.


Brad