The Problem with Overunity. A different approach.

[jeanna]

@Bill,
I now must slightly disagree with your post.

Look at my avatar. Remember?

I must also thank Rosphere for that delightful laugh from Douglas Adams.

I have the conscious memory of being on that brick wall watching an event that another conscious memory tells me I attended when I took the picture.

II remember being present for both instances and they were 4-6 months apart. And the idea to go forward to the event happened first...I think...

I have no interest in proving this to anybody. I only use the pic as my avatar to have it there before me always.

(I just realized I have missed the whole last page. I will read up and change this if necessary.)

jeanna

[hansvonlieven]

G?day all,

Koen1 said in his post:  Can you perhaps give some examples of the things that you feel may be too strongly embedded in our linguistic patterns and cause us to perhaps look at certain things in an unflexible or crooked way?

Yes I can.

Many years ago I was hanging around in an airport lounge waiting for a plane that had been delayed. I got talking to an elderly lady, an anthropologist who had been studying primitive societies in Africa for much of her life. We were discussing the limitations imposed by language on those societies. She told me the following story:

She had been living for some time with a tribe that shunned contact with civilisation and the outside world when one of the more valued members of heir society became ill. Knowing that the man could be successfully treated in London she managed to convince the people to let her take him there for treatment. The man was cured and duly returned to his tribe.

On his return he told his people about his adventures overseas. Naturally he was telling his story in the primitive language of the tribe.

In one of the stories he related how he went to this big hole in the city. A magic hole, for if you climbed down into the hole at the bottom of it there was this house. You went into the house and it started rattling and shaking and a wind was howling outside. Then the noise and the wind stopped and you could leave the house. You were back in the big hole, but this time when you climbed out of it you were in a different place.

He had described a journey on the London underground in the only way his language permitted.

My point here is that such a society could never invent an underground system or a bicycle for that matter, their language simply does not allow them to think in this direction.

We have a far more sophisticated system of language. But is it good enough to develop free energy? This is the question.

Hans von Lieven

[jeanna]

But Hans,

Inventions by their nature have no description in the language.

There was a need or they would not have been produced.

There will not be a word for something until it exists.

This is why inventors live out of the box. The thing they are looking for is not in the box, nor is it described in the box.

jeanna

[hansvonlieven]

A good thought Jeanna,

However, the precursors to that inspiration are a requirement to ferment the idea. That is my point.

Hans

[jeanna]

Hans

Yes,

Please elaborate.

On how the precursors are used by the inventor.

In my opinion the inventors whose inventions are too far ahead are so because there are too few precursors in the society for the invention to be seen and accepted.

But the inventor went way out there to make the invention to solve a problem.


jeanna