Something that I need to bring to attention...

[Dr.Greenthumb]

You are right, overunity is the really the objective, In my car, I am working on my unit, for the last 3 days I am thinking about to not use the battery from the car but instead put my unit in the trunk with other battery and just charge this other battery when they are low, so the HHO will be generated with the second battery, I dont really care about overunity at this point, I just want to save more OIL as possible! BTW electricity is way cheaper then using the engine to recharge the battery back Also using this system is more powerfull because you dont need to worry about the main battery voltage, so your car will always work like is supposed to do, you can even add 2 batteries instead of one and produce more HHO with more cell and save more gaz.

I will put a solar panel to charge the batteries back while I work at the office! I am still looking at a lot of stuffs to make my unit more easy to update, so I could remove the unit under 30 secs.

A good battery would be one that is used on solar systems. I got one from sears rated @ 80 amp hours. I can run my 400 watt security lights for 8 hours no problem then be recharged by my harbor freight solar panel the next day. The only problem is the better ones are rather large and very heavy.

[shruggedatlas]

Okay , first of all here I'm not discussing anything OU.  This is all conventional.


@shruggedatlas

I do not follow.  HHO does not exist naturally, like oil.

Yes Oil is natural, but gasoline is not.   Gasoline is the same as HHO, in the sense that both are 'refined' products which require additional input energy to produce.

So HHO must be created.  It costs more energy to make HHO than can be extracted from it.

Agreed. In thermodynamic terms, you always have losses.   You must 'pay' (for instance) 1000Joules of electrical energy to get 700Joules of HHO.

However, in economic terms, it makes perfect sense.   The 'cost' for HHO (in $/Joule) is far less than gasoline (in $/Joule), since the HHO is created by electrical energy (paid for in the kilowatt hour), rather than in gasoline energy (paid for by the gallon).

OK, but then, why bother with HHO at all?  Just have an electric motor with a battery, and use electrical energy to charge that.  Seems like making HHO is just a needless extra step.

[Dr.Greenthumb]

I do not follow.  HHO does not exist naturally, like oil.  So HHO must be created.  It costs more energy to make HHO than can be extracted from it.  Therefore, there is no point making it.

With oil, we are not trying to make it.  We just use what is already there.  That is why it makes sense.

I think your missing the whole point. Crude oil straight out of the ground is refined Many times over with additives such as detergents to help keep the engine clean so its not totally natural. My self am not trying to achieve Over unity just with HHO alone. Its going to take multiple things to get overunity. What im trying to achieve is a 11HP lawn mower running off of HHO along side of larger capacity batteries and multiple electrical components. Just the mere fact that you can create a burnable fuel from something we drink, pee, sweat every day should have you on your toes going at this with us. Not saying you should quit because it does not produce more energy then required to make it.

[Feynman]

Well, you bother with HHO because you cannot add a battery directly to an automobile, since the engine operates on internal combusion rather than electricity.

Adding HHO can reduce the gasoline consumption by 70% for a minimal cost in electrical energy from the grid.   

[Dr.Greenthumb]

Dont forget you can add multiple alternators if you have the skills to do so.so a 7-14 cell would be no problem. Even a little 60 HP VW engine would be enough to push 2-3 alternators plus you and the car down the road.