Accelerating forces

[libra_spirit]

A possible solution:

I have been pondering the sling shot all night and now plotted some circles and vectors and made a few conclusions. They are very simple and if there are aliens watching us I'm certain they are elated at our general ignorance of the wheel for the past eons of time.

Consider you are in a car approaching a turn in the road and you brake going into the turn. Which way does the car pull, and does the turn help you slow down faster?

Now consider the same turn and instead you step on the accelerator, what effect does the turn give the cars momentum? Which direction are you pulled now?

For those who have never raced cars in their younger days, accelerating into a turn is one of the most accelerating experiences there is. As long as ones tires remain firmly gripping the road!
As well braking into a turn can almost rip you off the road to the outer side. The vector angles shift.

The answer lies in the vector directions of the accelerating forces. If you look at the centrifugal and centripetal forces as balanced while the wheel is spining at one RPM you see a balance of two very strong forces. Release the sling and one of these forces drops away hurling a rock much faster then the hand twirling it with more energy then the hand can generate. The hand is moving with far less energy then the hurled rock.

On the sling shot if the hand is adding only a little energy to the sling on the final turn to release there is a big gain to the rocks momentum. If the hand is subtracting only a little energy from the sling on the final curve before release, the rock nearly stops.

It is the turn that is magic, either adding a great deal of energy or removing that energy depending on the small driving forces direction to control the balance.

This is do to vectors of accelerating forces. The two forces on the outside ring of the wheel are only balanced if the wheel is not being propelled or slowed. When we add even only a small vector force to push the wheel faster, this force sets off balance the two balanced forces. Draw this on paper and you will see. Add the vector sums of the small force you are adding to the rock. The resultant vector addition shows the resulting force ends up either forwards of the turn or behind the turn. This redirects the two balanced forces of acceleration of the turn to a new angle.

Energy is shifted either outwards stronger and slightly back, or it is shifted forwards. When shifted forwards the acceleration pointing outwards adds a little to the momentum also, but so does the force pulling in. Both forces of centrifugal and centripital are resultant vector slightly forwards or backwards and the wheels outwards and inwards forces are converted into motion either forwards or backwards.

Both forces add to the momentum of the rock in the sling because of the deflection.

This is a motion amplifier.

So back to Chas's overunity flywheel. Placing a small weak motor on a fast spining flywheel, adding only a little energy to shift the force of the [balanced outwards and inwards vectors] forwards, each now adds power to the spin of the wheel. By the same token a small braking action should do the opposite.
However while the power is being added the flywheel starts to propell the system amplifying the energy of the small motor, like the sling shot. this requires the RPM be increasing, or pulsed.

This also brings up the basic sling shot orbital maneuver. If the sling shot did not add energy why would spacecraft be using it to propell themselves past planet? Is it alright to get more energy for a spacecraft but not to power my home using the same method?

When we go into the turn, both centrifugal and centripital forces add to the velocity, if we only add a small amount of energy into the turn using an engine. We are redirection two very powerful vector forces and tipping them forwards.

Draw a circle on a piece of paper.
Draw the outwards force vector of centrifugal force
Draw its counter force straight in
Now draw the vector of energy we are adding to the system from the meeting point of these two.
Now connect the start of each one to the new end of the last one and observe the output forces added together.
Now double the offset length because it is truly the sum of both and add this to the original deflection vector. Looks roughly to be somewhere between 2 to 1 or about a 1 to 3 gain if all the forces are equal, but what if they are not equal? Doubling an acceleration does what?

This technique is called vector addition, and it indicates that the flywheel is overunity and allways was.

If this is true then why has it been impossible to recognize for so long?
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I can now see why all these people are talking about balances and shifting them off center.

Dave L

[libra_spirit]

Hopefully you can deduce from the graphic I just posted, why a space ship can get energy from a slingshot orbital maneuver. As well how a small force applied to the sling shot during the final curve adds more energy to the rock then the hand is adding to it. Also a small drag will bleed off energy much faster.

The red lines show the resultant vector forces of adding the small shift to both the opposing energies of the wheels trajectory at the outer curve.

Now to get more energy out of this system then we are putting in, where do we tap off the energy?
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My initial feeling:
We know that we must keep a forwards vector on the wheel to get the slingshot addition of energy, how do we get the wheel to speed up and then slow down without loosing energy. Do not let the wheel drop below a forwards pressure and then send a forwards jerk over the top of this pressure. Say a 75 percent duty cycle while the slow down phase is only 25 percent and the load pulls the RPM back.

Chas's actual setup is much like the sling shot, it taps the outer circumference of the flywheel and puts the energy in at the center or hand position of the slingshot! Chas is putting energy into the wheel at its low density point and removing energy at its high density point. Now with three axles and loose belts he gets a good vibration on the flywheel.
I can only imagine what this does to the generator.

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It would appear we have the begining of a physics to support Chas's flywheel OU system.
This is based on the sling shot effect, and adding a small force to unbalance the greater forces of centripetal and centrifugal forces, drawing acceleration from them directly. Considering these forces reach 1 G at about 60 RPM for a 1 meter wheel, well you can see there is energy here.

Gives a new perception of "weight into energy" [David Hamel]..... does it not?

Does a simple flywheel contain the solution to over unity energy?


"my theory being if you create centrifugal force you can drive anything as long as the wheel keeps spinning"

Chas has missed the accelerating of the wheel or RPM increase to increase the energy output, as a flywheel in constant RPM spin is not going to do much probably that we can explain to add energy to the system.

Dave L

[libra_spirit]

Newtonian physics:

I would now state that the faulty assumption of newtonian physics may be what most of the scalar tech people have been telling us all along. Opposing forces do not cancel.

While centrifugal and centrepital forces are scalar cancelling when aligned perfectly, they can be considered to cancel, however both are still present allways as long as the wheel is spining.
If we add the offset vector force at 90 degrees, neither force cancels and both will interact with the offset force. Adding the vector sums then must be done with each one and the resultant force is the sum of these results. This is a big difference then just saying the opposing forces cancel as if they are no longer present, and then stating that the added offset at 90 degrees is all that is now present in the problem.

This is a matter of sequence of vector addition, and has already been recognized for space craft as a valid way to get energy from a gravity field.

I would modify this statement. Opposing forces do not cancel they balance. Balance can be shifted.

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Finally finished all the thread, the jist is that the pulsing of the loose belts converts gravity to energy! Wow, gravity?

I would suggest that pulsing the forwards momentum on the flywheel would instead cause a sling shot effect each time the wheels velocity increases. In this case the extra energy is not from gravity but from centrifugal and centripital forces as with a sling where we are adding a surge of momentum going into the curve. I like that better then trying to tie gravity into it all. What happens in space where no gravity is present will this still operate? Best guess yes.

So if we pulse the 90 degree vector we get more acceleration from the wheel. Using impulses to vary the even rate of the mass velocity. Magnets are suggested, and now we are starting to look like a Searl disc. Pulsing on 12 sides! No kidding.

I'm more curious what would happen if that 10Kg wheel was set up to go into a precession motion. Would this motion tend to act the same as pulsing of the wheel? Each side would be now slowing and speeding up as the precession vibration moved around the wheel. Bearings for such a device would be hard to concieve, a bearing on a bearing on each end that can allow a circle ina a circle. A sharp tap with a rubber hammar and the wheel starts to precess settubng up a secondary sine wave motion in reverse direction of the the wheels spin direction.

You may be able to mount the flywheel shaft bearings on some kind of spring supports allowing a slight precession to operate inside them. Belt tension would be a problem unless output pully was centered as close to center of shaft as possible. Now a single electromagnet could be set up at the correct frequency pulsing of the wheel to start a precession.
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Ok so this thing works then, is anyone building it? The power gain was about 50 percent last reading?

He closed the loop as well back in December of 2007 where the thread seems to end.
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Now compare this info with Archers wheel, is there any pulsing? Seems the jerking about is more important then having a smooth operation.

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So the main difference I see here in my own pondering and the official one is whether the added energy is comming from gravity or from the centrifigal and centrepetal forces recieving an unbalance from a surge in the forwards direction [slingshot effect]. Since we cannot go into space to resolve this maybe one could test a wheel while it is spinning up from say half to full RPM. Suposedly the pulsing frequency being raised will increase the output, what if the wheel is powered for 1 sec on and then allowed to slow for 1 sec under load, and then powered for 1 second. During the spin up it should gain energy and during the coasting it should loose energy. It would start to gallop, and overall output would be higher. I believe the function we want however would never remove the forwards pressure but keep a constant DC torque while increasing for a duty cycle then dropping back fast.

The ultimate would be two wheels spining opposing directions, and then start to pulse each one out of phase to keep one always accelerating while the other is coasting back a little. Slingshot would then always be present on one!

It all comes back to pulsing, timming, and syncronization.
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My last consideration on this is to add a light resonant pulsing system to the wheels using proper dimensions. These would be extremely high frequency pulses probably. The torsion outputs are created using 44.5 foot fractal dimensions, and vibrations would start to come out of things everywhere. Might be intresting, but flywheel would need to be custom dimesnsions of an AG metal like Aluminum or copper to get it into motion. Wheels could be 15 3/16 radius and would begin to radiate torsion nodes all over the sides. The nodes can be pulsed by placing small 44.5 foot copper coils around them. No idea what RPM would be needed.

Need to find sources of shafts and super bearings etc... better keep reading through the site I guess.

I suspect once a vibration starts in one of these wheels it may just keep building, sort of like a bell.
What we want is to create a high frequency torsion vibration all over the flywheel as it is spining. This seems to be the necessary ingreedient to OU in a flywheel. If the vibration runs sideways, or if it runs longitudinally may be very different. So a ring with a fractal circumference, and a fractal thickness acting like a bell as the wheel spins. It may get too loud! Ouch.

Now also we see three of these one from each of the shafts on the machine, so it is placing three vibrations on the final wheel, complex indeed, and like the TPU.

Dave L

[libra_spirit]

There is another way to add vibration to the flywheel, a cavitating water chamber. This will also produce heat probably.

Dave L

[libra_spirit]

Concepts gained from this study:

1 - A spining flywheel can offer OU energy if pulsed. The loop can be closed.

2 - The energy comes from the time domain and off balancing of the forces comparable to gravity and centreptital, for
     a slign shot orbit. In the case of a wheel however gravity is not the main source of the energy but opposing or
     scalar cancelling forces of centrifugal and centrepital forces. This system should work where there is no gravity or
     also if the wheel is running horizontal to gravity although possibly not as well.

3 - Pulsing would best not drop below forwards power draw. If driving torque is droped completely, then the vectors
     will reverse and loose energy rather then draw it from the time domain. The best setup would not be a pulsing
     drive motor, but two motors set in conflict. The first motor provides a constant forwards drive, the second motor
     pulses in reverse with very short duty cycle pulses not strong enough to fully counter the first motor so the
     forwards vector never drops away.

4- The drive motor must allways be accelerating the wheel so never fully comes up to the full speed it could impart if
    allowed to run free.

5- Opposing magnets set up correctly around the circumference could offer both sharp pulse drag, and higher
    opposing force to increase the output of the system. Duty cycle on this ring would become the control. Shift
    the dragging past 50 percent and we gain control of the wheel backing it off. This can be donw with 
    electromagnets, or a weak pulsed motor in opposition.

This information should be useful to any wheel system seeking more out then goes in.

In Archer Quinns wheel we see now the reversed magnetic pulse he refers to as the wall, or resistance, may very well be capable of increasing the energy of the wheel to a point of perpetual motion. The "sticking point" actually becoms the source of the overunity energy in the wheel. As long as the wheel keeps spining we can load it and start to tap this extra energy.

The only problem here is that of pulse rate, will this OU force be greater with a larger mass of spining wheel. Yes, because this will increase the two forces in opposition being tapped.
Pulse rate and mass should both increase the output.

Dave L