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Deciphering the TPU in 2008

Started by eldarion, May 14, 2008, 07:30:36 PM

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BEP

#5
May 14, 2008, 10:05:32 PM
BTW:

That disconnect probe enclosed in a metal box.......  You may want to put some distance between the tested circuit and your equipment soon.

I have six scopes. Two of them work right now.

Bruce_TPU

#6
May 14, 2008, 10:14:04 PM
Hi Eldarion,

You may need to build a cage for your controller, and use Shielded Coax for the output, and keep the Controller 6' away from the device.  If the controller were tiny, then as BEP said, the center would be best.  I earnestly believe that it will not stay in catalyst because of the "noise" that goes to the output signal, and ruins it, as soon as it starts.  Shielding, screening, and distance.  And juice the mag bias.  I think the combo of both.

Progress is sweet,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

BEP

#7
May 14, 2008, 10:22:12 PM
@Bruce,

You missed my point. One of the beauties of a simple tube amplifier is that it will incorporate noise and any other close energy into it's output and clean it up in the process.

I wouldn't change any biasing, magnetic or otherwise, yet. Simply place the coil under or above the noisy electronics and see if the DC float is more frequent. If it is then use that unconnected probe to check for a dielectric gradient in and around the coils. There should be a definite pattern.

I suspect higher potential radially than axially.

Bruce_TPU

#8
May 14, 2008, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: BEP on May 14, 2008, 10:22:12 PM
@Bruce,

You missed my point. One of the beauties of a simple tube amplifier is that it will incorporate noise and any other close energy into it's output and clean it up in the process.

I wouldn't change any biasing, magnetic or otherwise, yet. Simply place the coil under or above the noisy electronics and see if the DC float is more frequent. If it is then use that unconnected probe to check for a dielectric gradient in and around the coils. There should be a definite pattern.

I suspect higher potential radially than axially.

I certainly did misunderstand.   ;)  I understand what you mean now.  A very good experiment idea, indeed.  Makes one wish for a simple tube amp about now.  But hopefully we can get it to maintain catalyst, and placing the coil above or below will do this.  That would be a quick solution.

Progress of great minds endeavoring for one goal,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

BEP

#9
May 14, 2008, 10:38:42 PM
My intial experiment, along these lines consisted of a round voice coil sandwiched between two round magnets (the ones with holes in the middle).
I got nothing, of course, until I put a noise source in the center of the coil, also between the two magnets. The noise source is a DC/DC converter for powering Geiger counter tubes. 12 in - 2500 out - nice little blue spark maker. You activate the spark and you have DC from the coil - low voltage but useable current.
My suggestion will just tell me if we are along the same path. If right, we can talk about magnetic fields.
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